Encap on antique Iranian rugs?

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Ive got 6 Iranian rugs in the shop right now. All but one are red with multiple colours/prints. The guy I usually use for rugs in the past, has dropped the ball so to speak. It would take him 2-2 1/2 months to get a rug back to me, and his quality has gone downhill. I think this is in part due to the fact that he sees me as competition, and wants my clients to be disappointed in my services, thus looking elsewhere for services. Anywho, would encapping these rugs be the way to go? And what one specifically? I’m painted into a corner, I need some advice.....
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I do many Persian rugs. If a true Persian, usually the quality is good and the dyes don't run with proper cleaning. Test with a white towel and the cleaning solution you plan to use. It's normal to get a little color transfer. I use a cold prespray (Prochem fine fabric) sometimes scrub with a 175, then rinse with a cold to lukewarm solution of neutral cleaner. I haven't had a rug bleed in years.
 
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I do many Persian rugs. If a true Persian, usually the quality is good and the dyes don't run with proper cleaning. Test with a white towel and the cleaning solution you plan to use. It's normal to get a little color transfer. I use a cold prespray (Prochem fine fabric) sometimes scrub with a 175, then rinse with a cold to lukewarm solution of neutral cleaner. I haven't had a rug bleed in years.
Do you clean modern productions of these: Nain, Tabriz and Qum?
 
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I have on hand Bridgepoint wool perfect, Wool medic, Procyon powder, double strenght cleaning vinegar, and powder citric acid. I’m very apprehensive to wet clean. The tab on these 6 rugs is about 1500$. I want to make sure that I do it correctly. Due to the colours, and the fringe(White cotton I believe), i need to get this right. This was dropped into my lap this morning. The last guy that was there REALLY fooked up her wool W/W. he ruined it. I DONT WANT TO BE THAT GUY....
 
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You should pass on these. How close is Ron to you? Sub them to him or pay him to teach you. They are probably easy but why start off on the wrong foot. Get a little training and experience and you'll be ready for next time.
Ron is 4 hrs away. The lady needs them by this Friday. In for a penny, in for a pound. I was referred from a flooring store. They talked me up to the point I couldn’t say no. Problem is, 99% of the rug cleaning courses are in the US. I’m planning on making this an educational year, as it seems that most guys around here are just wet-n-jetters....not saying I’m better than them, I just know better than just to jump. I need to be able to do these Richard.....
 
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Since I set up my little ‘rug spa’, I’ve run 31 rugs. Everyone has turned out great, simply by following basic principles and limited knowledge. They’ve included wool, viscose, and obviously synthetic. This is the first set that I’m a little apprehensive. I know every rug cleaner started out exactly like me. I’m enrolled in Jim’s uph course, I’m looking into stone, and rug courses. I don’t plan to fly by the seat of my pants. I think education is the cornerstone to any profession. I plan on adhering to those principals.
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Do you clean modern productions of these: Nain, Tabriz and Qum?
Most of the Persians coming my way are more modern productions. I have a rug collector as one of my customers who brings me some antique Persians from time to time. A couple of years ago we did about $30,000 worth of cleaning and demothing on some of antiques. Really heart breaking to see some of the serious moth damage on some of these old masterpieces.
 
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I try not to have deadlines.
Ron is 4 hrs away. The lady needs them by this Friday. In for a penny, in for a pound. I was referred from a flooring store. They talked me up to the point I couldn’t say no. Problem is, 99% of the rug cleaning courses are in the US. I’m planning on making this an educational year, as it seems that most guys around here are just wet-n-jetters....not saying I’m better than them, I just know better than just to jump. I need to be able to do these Richard.....
 
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post pics of all six


Do you have a place to clean and dry them, preferably flat?
I’ve got the inside of my shop where I park my van. The other side is being used for storing my boat, and a whole host of other business and personal shyte. I’ve got a makeshift drying rack, there are 5 six inch pvc pipes. 2 are on pulleys. I’ve got small and large snail fans, and a commercial dehu.... but no, not a area to dry them flat....
 
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I’ve got the inside of my shop where I park my van. The other side is being used for storing my boat, and a whole host of other business and personal shyte. I’ve got a makeshift drying rack, there are 5 six inch pvc pipes. 2 are on pulleys. I’ve got small and large snail fans, and a commercial dehu.... but no, not a area to dry them flat....
Not usually a need to dry them flat. Just make sure you have as dry as possible before you hang them. Extra dry passes. A Zipper works great. Detail the fringes by hand using an upholstery tool. Again, you want the fringes as dry as possible to avoid cellulosic browning as they are usually cotton. The pvc pipes are great for hanging. That's exactly what I use.
 
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Honestly, if you're this apprehensive, pass on these, drive them to someone who knows, or vacuum both sides repeatedly and don't charge much and move on to the next thing.

Find a class if rugs are something you want to do, these don't sound like anything out of the ordinary. Being this apprehensive will eventually just get you into trouble, it's not worth the little money that may come from them.
 
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Honestly, if you're this apprehensive, pass on these, drive them to someone who knows, or vacuum both sides repeatedly and don't charge much and move on to the next thing.

Find a class if rugs are something you want to do, these don't sound like anything out of the ordinary. Being this apprehensive will eventually just get you into trouble, it's not worth the little money that may come from them.
I guess a better way to explain, I’m being cautious, not apprehensive. Its good to be careful. I’ve basically got no choice. I know I have the ability, it’s just the correct steps in the correct order. Just like any other profession. I’m not a one method cleaner. I don’t use just one product when I clean. I just need some advice from those that do this everyday, and are comfortable with giving advice. Any help is greatly appreciated.
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Sounds like your stored stuff and boat could be costing you thousand of dollars in lost income potential.
De-clutter the garage and toss out or sell rarely used stuff and see about storing the boat elsewhere.
Get some rug training and set up your rug washing operation. Cleaning the rugs after work, dry them over night, and touch up, re-clean or wrap them up for delivery in the morning; I suggest you use a moisture meter/ DryEze Hydrometer to be sure the rugs are dry before wrapping them up.
 
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Honestly, if you're this apprehensive, pass on these, drive them to someone who knows, or vacuum both sides repeatedly and don't charge much and move on to the next thing.

Find a class if rugs are something you want to do, these don't sound like anything out of the ordinary. Being this apprehensive will eventually just get you into trouble, it's not worth the little money that may come from them.

Rugs can smell your fear....
 
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Sounds like your stored stuff and boat could be costing you thousand of dollars in lost income potential.
De-clutter the garage and toss out or sell rarely used stuff and see about storing the boat elsewhere.
Get some rug training and set up your rug washing operation. Cleaning the rugs after work, dry them over night, and touch up, re-clean or wrap them up for delivery in the morning; I suggest you use a moisture meter/ DryEze Hydrometer to be sure the rugs are dry before wrapping them up.
I totally agree. I stored my boat last fall in my shop. I then came across a deal from another cleaner that closed up shop. I paid 3k for enough stuff to fill the back of my P/U 3 times, plus a trailer full of stuff. It was a good score. The guy I used to take my rugs to, was taking FOREVER to get rugs back to me(2-21/2 months), and his quality was honestly shyte. Problem is, he’s the ONLY show in town. So, in November, I made a decision to start doing them myself. I had a custom heavy duty, white tarp made up(14’ by 18’), and the edges are sonic welded to accommodate a pvc frame I built. I can divide it into 2 separate sections. I have a make shift drying room. In the spring, I plan on moving the boat back into my yard, and putting the TM i bought on a custom rolling dolly system. That way I can use it n the rug shop, or put it in another van, and have my PT guy do CC jobs with it. Yes, I am getting more education. A professional is made not born. I am simply on that path.
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