Encap question

[Ron Werner]

What works best:
Rotary tools or Oscillating?
Just thinking about the spinning action vs the oscillating

 

[Mike Draper]

I haven't tried anything else other than my cimex, its awesome.

 

[Dolly Llama]

What works best:
Rotary tools or Oscillating?
Just thinking about the spinning action vs the oscillating

depends whether full blow scrub 'N run sCampooing or using cotton or synthetic pads with encRap juice

scrub 'n run sCampooing is better with roto tools .
You can get a better "clean" with cloth pads under a shake 'n shine machines


..L.T.A.

 

[Mikey P]

You encapping?


yeah, right.

 

[joe harper]

You encapping?


yeah, right.

The day WeRnEr en-cRaPPs..... :roll:

I will start dating women 1/2 my age.... :shock:

 

[Ron Werner]

Just encrapping as a maintenance method on condo hallways and stairs. already informed them it will need a full HWE after a time. Its new carpet, barely a year old. These are the carpet tiles I was mentioning in a previous thread.



You mean you're going to start dating older women Harper??

 

[Brian R]

I did my first encap job the other day.

Commercial building....Orbot with an agiclean pad (fiber plus pad).

Worked really well....We've HWEd it about 4 times but since I am cleaning myself in this area I thought I would hit it.

Easy stuff and looks great.

 

[Jeremy]

In order of most to least aggressive:

Planetary
Orbital
Rotary

 

[randy]

Go with a Cimex or a Whittiker. Definitely the Whittiker if you will be hauling it up steps or doing lots of steps.
Use DSC Spin vac, Release it or Cobb's Juice (my favorites in order of ranking). Don't even consider the cheap crappy encap products like Jon Don's matrix or the worst in the industry BRIDGEPOINT.

THe Cimex will be a bit quicker, the Whittiker easier to haul around, load etc.
For commercial use the blue or (yellow brushes if trashed carpet out of warranty).

Another option for doing stairs is a hand buffer like those used to buff cars (harbor freight item #92623 $39.99) with a fiber plus pad or 7" bonnet.

For 6-8' stairs often found in commercial office buildings I like the oreck orbitor with a WAND handle (from a carpet wand) added for easy of doing stairs. Again the fiber plus pads or bonnet.

You will be shocked to find that if a quality encap product is used HWE will not be necessary. We have buildings that have been encaped 30 times or more and they look great. THe only time we HWE a commercial building is to clear out the crap other cleaners (normally HWE guys) have left. Recently I did a new account that had been done by Stanley Steemer for years, tons of residue issues. Steamed it and the immediately did a light encap. Perfect results. From now on the whole 15,000 square feet will be done with a cimex.
Hope that helps.

 

[Jeremy]

I prefer OPs... Ease of use and actual soil removal. Shop at http://www.EncapStore.com/cart for all your HWE & VLM supplies.

 

[Jimmy L]

Encap/SHAMPOO for 30 times and then you do a HWE rinse will reveal just how dirty the build up of dried SHAMPOO really is.

 

[Brian R]

Just padcap it after a few encaps and that will remove any remaining soil.

 

[Dolly Llama]

In order of most to least aggressive:

Planetary
Orbital
Rotary

Germ, are you talking fiber/VCT type pads ...which is what I consider scrub 'n run sCampooing
or cloth pads or bonnet cleaning ??


cause the fiber/VCT type pads I've used twist up hundreds of dingleberries under a shake 'n shine machine


..l.T.A.

 

[Jeremy]

Just in terms of mechanical action.... The OPs do tend to eat fiber pads as the back and forth motion makes the pads pill. They still work they just don't last as long. In terms of cleaning power I'd put the OP on top as it absorbs soil and cleans all sides of the fiber in an efficient manner. Where as a rotary can do that but it takes a set repetive motion to clean all sides of the fiber and there arent any absorbant pads (cotton blend) for planetary scrubbers other than Tuway's.

That said on lightly soiled carpet Planetary and Rotaries can be faster... On something that actually has a soil load especially an oily one OPs will out shine them both in appearance and production. In my opinion this makes them the sweet spot in terms of production and results...

 

[CasinoCarpetCare]

I am a firm believer that the soil load should dictate the cleaning process used, and that either encapping, or bonnet buffing, both have their places in an interim program. The same theory applies to chemicals as well-soil load, type of carpeting, carpeting manufacturer, warranties, etc. I keep seeing this discussion over and over. :roll: Honestly-to be good at what we do- it should not be a discussion of what method is best. Any carpet jockey worth their weight is going to want to learn everything they can -offer as many services as they can-and use every one to their advantage to do a good job and keep their customers and clients happy. We (spot) bonnet-buffed the entire casino 5 days a week with 175's and the green-striped pads-and HWE'd each different section with truck mounts every 90 days. And when they changed the carpet last month the stuff still looked awesome considering all the abuse it took over the last 7 years. The whites were still white-and the colors still bright. If you are in it for the long run-you will be running an interim-or maintenance program which will utilize several methods of carpet maintenance, or cleaning. And if you really want to get technical-true encapping-and bonnet buffing-(padding)-are really two different TYPES of "cleaning". We still run our 175's and pads-as well as our Cimex-depending on what we are trying to accomplish, as well as our CFX, walk-behind, and riding units.

 

[lance]

Just padcap it after a few encaps and that will remove any remaining soil.

Brian is smoking some good crack.

It won't remove all the remaining soil, just some of it....unless you are willing to pad for a long time and use a lot of pads.

Brian, if you want the best results using OP, scrub in the cleaner with a CRB machine and then pad with a few wet pads and then a few damp or rung out pads. Of course you should be pre-vacing so you can remove as much loose, dry soil as possible. This system will work very well on medium to heavily soiled carpets. But I think a TM will do even a better job on the really bad traffic lanes. The HWE equipment we have now really kicks ass when done the right way.

Op does work but it still needs a little help now and again. Glad you are happy and making some money. 8) 8) 8)

 

[Brian R]

Actually, I've had better results on commercial with OP than HWE.

Even when I HWEd, I would follow with a padding with a 175.



I will prevac, scrub with an agiclean/fiber plus pad and then OP with a superzorb or now I'm using a Microfiber pad with scrubby strips.

It always looks amazing in a commercial setting.


That was just my first time doing straight encap.

 

[richard]

When encapping cgd we Cimex and follow with damp op - changing pads often.
REAL nasty cgd - hwe follow by dry op pads. Last week we used a 360i on a funk filled auto dealers office and followed with damp op pads. Carpeting came out great. Buckets of black pads clean though.

 

[Jim Martin]

I haven't tried anything else other than my cimex, its awesome.

May be picking your brain in a week or so...picking up a 19 inch along with some other equipment first of next week and I have never used one....

 

[Ron Werner]

I cimexed some halls and whittakered the stairs today.
The Condo strata wants a cleaning every 6mths, Nov-May, so I'll encap what I can and HWE what I can.
Cimex works slick on hallways.

 

[lance]

Brian, good for you. Scrubbing before OPing is a good way to go.

You might check the velcro on your OP machine on a regular basis as I have heard that the fiber-plus pads and the MF with scrubbies wears it out faster than just using pads. You could use just MF with no strips on it as you are aggitating with the fiber-plus pad first.

The nice thing about the MF is they can be rinsed and rung out on the job and used over again. That way you don't have to have so many with you while working.

 

[Brian R]

Brian, good for you. Scrubbing before OPing is a good way to go.

You might check the velcro on your OP machine on a regular basis as I have heard that the fiber-plus pads and the MF with scrubbies wears it out faster than just using pads. You could use just MF with no strips on it as you are aggitating with the fiber-plus pad first.

The nice thing about the MF is they can be rinsed and rung out on the job and used over again. That way you don't have to have so many with you while working.

I like the way the mf scrubbies run....Except the Orbot won't spin them that well....catch 22.

I'm thinking of trying the durapads/tuways with a scrubby strip...Do they make those for OPing?

 

[lance]

The tuway with green stripes might work, i have never tried those.

The tuway thin ones are the same thing without the green stripe. The work well but not a good as Glad pads. And maybe not as good as your superzorb, I haven't used those either.

I know that Jeremy has pads for commercial OP. The snake skins. Have you tried those yet? Since you scrub with a fiber plus pad first, all you need is a pad to really soak up the dirt. The glads last the longest probably but cost the most. But in your situation they would do a great job and last longer because you're not using them to scrub with.

 

[Brian R]

I had a bad batch of Glads....But recently got some good one.


I like the Superzorbs for cleaning....Nothing is more aggressive and cleans better in my opinion...But they fall apart quick for me and they are around $20 each :shock:

The MF scrubbies take a little longer but last a lot longer....They stay looking pretty too...The SZs booger up and look dingy quick.

Tuways are good for what they're good for...They absorb a lot and they run really smooth....but NOT aggressive. Scrub really needed before and a powerful prespray.

I was surprised at how much soil the agiclean/fiberplus pads held. They scrub for encap but they really held a good amount of soil in them as well.....So I guess it wasn't reall "straight encap" if it's pulling dirt.


The reason for the tuways with the scrubby strip would be to get the best of all worlds...Absorbtion, Ease of use (gliding), durability and aggitation......And so far they stay looking pretty too.

But I haven't tried them yet...Just theory.

 

[CasinoCarpetCare]

The Tuways with the "green scrubbie" strips are what we have always used- you are right-you do get the best of both worlds. :mrgreen: We have some microfiber pads-but honestly, my carpet crew and i prefer the Tuways. And the Penguin sprayers. 150,000 square feet of carpet can't be wrong. shiteatinggrin

 

[Brian R]

The Tuways with the "green scrubbie" strips are what we have always used- you are right-you do get the best of both worlds. :mrgreen: We have some microfiber pads-but honestly, my carpet crew and i prefer the Tuways. And the Penguin sprayers. 150,000 square feet of carpet can't be wrong. shiteatinggrin

What machine are you using?

 

[CasinoCarpetCare]

Powerflite 175's. The new carpet is a Milliken 80/20 blend. They (Milliken) don't recommend using the rotary buffers on this type of product because of the wool content and because they say it "unfurls the fibers" and causes the carpet to bloom. which could cause potential warrantee issues. Milliken recomends that their "Capture" products be used with their CRB machines. We just got our first Cimex about a month ago. We love it-but for us it is heavy and slow compared to the speed, weight and manuverability of the 175's and a spray tank. We still use the 175's and pads on the older venues. It is like comparing driving a bus (Cimex) to a Porsche (175).Our Powerflite buffers are going on 10 or so years old-and have held up incredibly well-all we've ever really had problems with are a few lockout switches and replacing an occasional cord here and there. But they have been kept on site-and haven't had to survive being jounced and bounced in and out of trucks on a daily basis. :roll:

 

[Brian R]

Part of me wants to go back to a 175 sometimes...But I love my Orbot.

 

[CasinoCarpetCare]

The Orbot looks interesting. And probably not as heavy as these back-busting 175's and the Cimex. All we have to do here is push them around. i am sure my relationship with both my Cimex and my beloved 175's would be short and sweet if I were lifting them in and out of trucks and up and down stairs all day. :x :x

 

[Desk Jockey]

Lisa I'm surprised they don't like the Cimex more than the 175's? I would think that while the Cimex's can be a bit slower than the 175 it doesn't have the torque working against you that the 175 does. You don't feel like you're working very hard with the Cimex, just walking.

What's the frequency of cleaning there and and do you change methods or just as needed?