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[Mikey P]

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They get that softer bristles are better..

 

[Nate The Great]

Von who?!?

Wher's CleanWork's brother Mardie?!?

 

[BIG WOOD]

I’ve seen how well those perform. I’d have one if they weren’t so expensive.

 

[Kenny Hayes]

What the h e double l are you talking about? Mr 2 Giant truckmount person and you gonna quibble over the price of a foaming crb??? You’re one rung below Damon!

 

[Cleanworks]

The biggest problem I see with a CRB system is that even with trays, you eventually get so much debris buildup, it starts spitting it out. How often do you have to clean the brushes and the chassis?

 

[Kenny Hayes]

Wait, you’ve never used em? Serious question for once?

 

[BIG WOOD]

Foaming is superior over chemical spray. You know that if we didn’t lose suction in our hoses that our treatment would be foaming.

And crb brushes don’t violate a warranty on new carpet. So you’d get more contracts. And the trays are better than washing 50 bonnet pads for big commercial jobs. I know more about LMC than most of you think.

 

[BIG WOOD]

What the h e double l are you talking about? Mr 2 Giant truckmount person and you gonna quibble over the price of a foaming crb??? You’re one rung below Damon!

I get much more for what I’ve spent on my new Everest vs a foaming crb. They’re around $10k if not more now. I know they spent allot of time and money testing so I understand. I just hope the cost drops some

 

[Kenny Hayes]

Ok, you got me there!!!! I certainly wasn’t expecting anything like that. You know where they can stick that foam. I bought a Bane

 

[Cleanworks]

Foaming is superior over chemical spray. You know that if we didn’t lose suction in our hoses that our treatment would be foaming.

And crb brushes don’t violate a warranty on new carpet. So you’d get more contracts. And the trays are better than washing 50 bonnet pads for big commercial jobs. I know more about LMC than most of you think.

Von Schrader has been selling foaming machines with cylindrical brushes for years.

 

[Dr. Kleen]

Von Schrader has been selling foaming machines with cylindrical brushes for years.

I remember using one of those in the 80’s. Incorrectly of course; my boss at the time had me use it to scrub the carpets before we saturated them with warm tap water & “extraction cleaner” using a fiberglass portable!!

 

[Cleanworks]

I remember using one of those in the 80’s. Incorrectly of course; my boss at the time had me use it to scrub the carpets before we saturated them with warm tap water & “extraction cleaner” using a fiberglass portable!!

I used to own one of their old black machines as well as the upholstery machine. They weren't grounded and I got tired of being shocked by them. They worked well though on commercial. A little cumbersome for residential.

 

[Luky]

The biggest problem I see with a CRB system is that even with trays, you eventually get so much debris buildup, it starts spitting it out. How often do you have to clean the brushes and the chassis?

I have Brush Pro 20 and 17. The renovators on both CRBs are deep enough to contain all the debris collected ( 10-12 areas). If I experience a heavily soiled carpet, I keep renovators off for a few minutes so customers can see what's lurking in their carpet. The lecture pays off because a seemingly clean and well-vacuumed carpet will produce a lot of clumps of hair, dust, and smaller particles. Most of the time, the customer disbelieves in the mess that would stay on the carpet if it hadn't been worked over with CRB. I try to clean brushes every day; an easy and effective way is the pet's hair metal rake.

 

[Luky]

That's what it looks like without renovators.

 

[Willy P]

I used a fork to clean my brushes. Slow but worked well.

 

[icleancarpetz]

Oh my god…all these years ive been jeopardizing my health and others using pump up sprayer and/or 2 gallon onboard sprayer with my Whittacker machine and the cases of Crystal Dry that never run out like the the five loaves and the two fish that fed great multitudes.

Dang it!

 

[Mikey P]

Von Schrader has been selling foaming machines with cylindrical brushes for years.

who knew

https://statevacuum.com/product/von-scrhader-lmx-low-moisture-carpet-extraction-system/

 

[Mikey P]

Weight – 54 lbs with handle (46 lbs without handle

 

[Russ Roberts]

You guys don't know me, but as someone who has used a fast foamer, several times at churches, cube farms, carpeted worked out tracks full of drink spills, doctors offices etc, (my buddy Steve Brown is the one who has been doing all the testing with the carpet mills for Fast Foamer), this is going to hit you diaper spinners hard.

We did a side by side comparison in my garage with mill test sample carpets, and the results were the practically the same between a 570 running 9.5 flow and 450 psi with 2 dry strokes and the fast foamer with pet vac, and scrubbing it in both directions twice.

I'll see if I can get Steve in here so he can explain the difference, but just know a lot of this is probably going to go over most guys heads but it's undeniable it rivals HWE as long as grease isn't involved but who wants to clean restaurants anyway?! This system is targeted at commercial, not residential, and for the people who are worried about the lil dingleberries (carpet balls that fall out of the trays here and there), you gotta move the cord every hundred feet so pick up the one or two that MAY have come out and typically the brushes and the CRB overall stay cleaner.

 

[Mikey P]

You guys don't know me, but as someone who has used a fast foamer, several times at churches, cube farms, carpeted worked out tracks full of drink spills, doctors offices etc, (my buddy Steve Brown is the one who has been doing all the testing with the carpet mills for Fast Foamer), this is going to hit you diaper spinners hard.

We did a side by side comparison in my garage with mill test sample carpets, and the results were the practically the same between a 570 running 9.5 flow and 450 psi with 2 dry strokes and the fast foamer with pet vac, and scrubbing it in both directions twice.

I'll see if I can get Steve in here so he can explain the difference, but just know a lot of this is probably going to go over most guys heads but it's undeniable it rivals HWE as long as grease isn't involved but who wants to clean restaurants anyway?! This system is targeted at commercial, not residential, and for the people who are worried about the lil dingleberries (carpet balls that fall out of the trays here and there), you gotta move the cord every hundred feet so pick up the one or two that MAY have come out and typically the brushes and the CRB overall stay cleaner.

Can you explain what "practically the same" is based on?


Ease of use?
Time spent ?
ATP testing?
Dry time?

Or just visual appearance?


How about corners, edges, under furniture, narrow areas, stair risers and bullnoses?

Heavy grease?
Urine?


You know, all the same areas and situations that present challenges for all vlm methods ..


Thanks for chiming in!

 

[Stevie B]

I get much more for what I’ve spent on my new Everest vs a foaming crb. They’re around $10k if not more now. I know they spent allot of time and money testing so I understand. I just hope the cost drops some

If anything price may go up, LOL. Kidding. We want to bring the cost down and value up. When you understand this system, you'll know if it's for you or your business model immediately, or if you want to break into other markets where the prohibited bonnet (pad) method is still being used. The Fast Foamer does not replace WRE. However, this doesn't automatically mean or imply that WRE is superior. We can continue the conversation later. Feel free to email me with any questions, not just about the Fast Foamer system. The industry is about to get an AWAKENING like never before.

 

[Mikey P]

If anything price may go up, LOL. Kidding. We want to bring the cost down and value up. When you understand this system, you'll know if it's for you or your business model immediately, or if you want to break into other markets where the prohibited bonnet (pad) method is still being used. The Fast Foamer does not replace WRE. However, this doesn't automatically mean or imply that WRE is superior. We can continue the conversation later. Feel free to email me with any questions, not just about the Fast Foamer system. The industry is about to get an AWAKENING like never before.

WRE?

What's that?

 

[Stevie B]

Ok, you got me there!!!! I certainly wasn’t expecting anything like that. You know where they can stick that foam. I bought a Bane

Von Schrader has been selling foaming machines with cylindrical brushes for years.

Not this foam and not from a CRB. This system is the epitome of synergy.

 

[Cleanworks]

Not this foam and not from a CRB. This system is the epitome of synergy.

I'm curious as to how the system produces foam. The Von Schrader system utilizes the vacuum motor exhaust to aerate the foam, blowing a very dry foam out of the machine where is is scrubbed in by the cylindrical brush then vacuumed up.

 

[Cleanworks]

I'm curious as to how the system produces foam. The Von Schrader system utilizes the vacuum motor exhaust to aerate the foam, blowing a very dry foam out of the machine where is is scrubbed in by the cylindrical brush then vacuumed up.

I watched your videos, I see you use an air compressor. Very interesting.

 

[Stevie B]

I have Brush Pro 20 and 17. The renovators on both CRBs are deep enough to contain all the debris collected ( 10-12 areas). If I experience a heavily soiled carpet, I keep renovators off for a few minutes so customers can see what's lurking in their carpet. The lecture pays off because a seemingly clean and well-vacuumed carpet will produce a lot of clumps of hair, dust, and smaller particles. Most of the time, the customer disbelieves in the mess that would stay on the carpet if it hadn't been worked over with CRB. I try to clean brushes every day; an easy and effective way is the pet's hair metal rake.

Great point! Vacuuming is only really effective on 40-50% of the dry insoluble soils (proper descriptors: fine, lightweight, but does include others). Not 80% or 100% of the 85%, like some may claim. I hear many in the industry, including manufacturer reps, misunderstand and explain this incorrectly. The maximum is 60%. The remaining dry insoluble soils (descriptors: heavy, coarse) are "entangled, trapped, and embedded" within the "effective pile." This accounts for 30-40% of the 85% dry insoluble component.

Carpet Cleaner Industries/Carpet Cleaner America posted that it can be upwards of 80%. This is why, regardless of whether water rinse extraction is used or not, mechanical intervention is required for proper cleaning to occur. Here's how it works: When we talk about "mechanical agitation," there is only one— the CRB machine. Specifically, the epitome is the CCI/CCA TM series. Not that others can't work as effectively, but this is the benchmark. This is the standard other manufacturers need to strive for or exceed.

For proper cleaning to occur beyond vacuuming (vacuuming itself is "proper" due to the "fluid" it uses to separate and extract soils), it requires one of the following:

• Vacuuming + CRB with chemical (mechanical agitation & extraction) Dry Compound and Encapsulation Extraction.
• OR Vacuuming + CRB with chemical (mechanical agitation & extraction) + WRE.

Note: A mechanical CRB can be used dry, but under the hierarchy of intervention—and the rules that govern effectiveness, efficiency, and maximizing/minimizing—extracting the "entangled, trapped, and embedded" dry soils is more effective and efficient when performed during the soil suspension phase.

The CRB does what rotary machines can't. The CRB not only provides optimal mechanical agitation, but it also mechanically extracts the entangled, trapped, and embedded dry insoluble soils that vacuuming and WRE CANNOT REMOVE! To some degree, maybe, but let’s not be silly—we focus on effectiveness and efficiency while maximizing results and minimizing effort.

Again, I'm not here to debate, only educate. So, even if "pile lifting" were performed weekly and WRE is for soluble soils, the CRB is still required for proper agitation (distributing chemistry and disrupting soils).

Now, someone might say, "My truck mount this and my truck mount that," but you'll lose when it comes to proper cleaning. Now, is this wrong per se? Well, if you know it and choose not to use it because you believe efficiency is gained without losing effectiveness, that’s your choice—but at least you now know and understand it.

Note: It’s how one has been taught to use the “mechanisms of effective soil suspension” aka TACT or CHAT. This called “true synergy” maximizing all, while “adaptive synergy” aka “adaptive cleaning” is where we allow chemical and dwell to passively work for us.

So, when a cleaner like me comes into contact with your customer or client, and you explain your case, but I demonstrate how I can incorporate a CRB into WRE without losing efficiency (without increasing costs or reducing profits, depending on how you look at it) and increase effectiveness by showing them the 30-40% of dry soils that remain when you clean… yet you told them it didn’t matter because of your "truck mount" system—how do you think that's going to work out. This doesn’t confirm a cleaner is “wrong”, however adding more value is “right” for everyone. More value for the client and more profit for the cleaner.

Again, I’m not here to attack anyone specifically or personally—just the misinformation and manipulation surrounding the "system". We don’t need to argue about methods or systems. WRE has its place. I love truck mounts. I’m very familiar.

Shit, you don’t think I hear "Tim the Tool Man Taylor" in my head and want to start grunting, barking, and howling? LOL! I’m all about it. Restaurants, residential, apartments—anywhere the power of heat, pressure, and flow is needed—I’m all about it.

But when you truly understand everything, most people will be like, "Damn. I could have been focused more on profit and growing my business rather than being confused and distracted by what is "best".
The "best" to you and me may be different.

A statement on the CRI's website is FALSE:
"What vacuuming and spot cleaning miss, extraction cleaning should fix."

 

[Mikey P]

I appeared to be being ignored

 

[Mikey P]

If you're anywhere near Indiana or would like to set up Reg and Dane at carpet Cleaner America you can come demo this process when we clean the Ronald McDonald House in Indianapolis in a couple of weeks.

Because of the other vendors paying to support this event there would be a fee involved but let me know if you'd like to discuss this