Flex Ice Roll Call

[Lee Stockwell]

For me any "rinse" should not have much detergent characteristic.

 

[Doug Rice]

So why are you still using it on "some jobs"?

Clean rinse on carpets that I don't have to wonder whats under the backing. For the average family home with pets or kids I'll stay with End Zone

 

[Mikey P]

For the average family home with pets or kids I'll stay with End Zone

I'd argue that you should use a pre spray that doesn't need any rinse at all if kids are on the carpet..

One Earth
Procyon
Soap Free
Axiom
and maybe this Saiger Green stuff but too soon to tell.

No 14 pH, no Butyl, no Orange Juice and soft water should be all you need

 

[Larry Cobb]

Ashley M. reviewed it on Facebook with some interesting comments.

" Larry, I owe you an apology, you had sent me a 6lbs jar of your "StainResist Powder" to compare to another competing rinse and I never gave my evaluation.

I give it a 4.5 out of 5.

Smelled Amazing, like what I remember Powermax smelling like 7-8 years ago.

Not much smell when used as an emulsifier, which is a plus.

Works very well as a pre spray. But most of my testing was as an emulsifier/rinse

Added a noticeable boost in cleaning performance when used as an emulsifier, can't remember the dilution but didn't take much.

The biggest thing that impressed me was Resoil rate, as I clean the same dang commercial hallways every 1-2 weeks.

For 3 cleanings I did one side your Stain resist, the other with Flex ICE.

Each cleaning I noticed the side with Stain resist always looked a bit brighter. And didn't look as dirty when it was time to clean.

After the three cleanings I let them go a few weeks longer before there next cleaning.

The flex ice side was noticeably the dingiest looking side, and resoiled noticeably more, nothing ground breaking. But it was very noticeable.

As a control I did 1/3 of this job with no rinse at all, and it looked exactly like the ice side. So I don't think the ice itself was /attracting dirt."

 

[Mark Saiger]

Holy crap! 50-60 bucks for a case of rinse??? For a liquid?

Also, wondering the difference between the two? Ones acid, one has encap added??? Anyone tried these?

Good thing I didn't get that 50 lbs of procyon...

The one with encap you would need to actually keep heat lower as we feel the encap could do some plugging up of your TM (Free Rinse Plus) but the Free Rinse Pro which is acidic and no encap has been good for many. Even the Heavy duty alkaline liquid extraction rinse we are seeing neutral 7 pH numbers, but we tend to only use at close to half strength typically.

To just also comment more on the acidic rinse with encap, we did find it very useful on a green sculpted Berber job that they had using a ton of carpet fresh powder... It helps us to finally get more of the carpet fresh out after it dried and we were were vacuuming again.

So it has its place but in our testing we just were concerned about what the encap was doing in our systems

 

[hogjowl]

I'm glad my life isn't as complicated as the lives you rocket scientists live.

 

[BLewis]

We're still using it but like most pre sprays we find less is better. 2-2oz scoops to Jug and meter set 2-3

 

[Mikey P]

5 gallon jug, right?

 

[BLewis]

5 gallon jug, right?

Yes, I assumed everyone knew we were talking rinses, but then again I "assumed" that every rinse jug was 5 gal...lol

 

[Mikey P]

4 onces in five gallons, then diluted at 3 gallon per hour is very light. Is there any benefit at that dilution?
Can you feel something in the water from your jets?

 

[Tom Forsythe]

I'd argue that you should use a pre spray that doesn't need any rinse at all if kids are on the carpet..

Such a pre-spray would need a healthy dose of rinse free additives (typically a phosphate) which helps remove soil into the water stream. True "green" (EPA DfE standards) products will not have phosphates. If you want to eliminate the rinse then you need to add rinse free additives into the pre-spray. Most pre-sprays need a balance of surfactants, solvents and alkaline builders around pH of 10 (can be phosphate) to work consistently. Our Clean Free is soap free and has an abundance of phosphate, and will work in a lot of situations especially if there is pre-existing residue. Great truckmounts can overcome some of the limitations of soap free products as well as cleaning "clean" houses. However, on some jobs you need the surfactants and solvency to get the best results.

However,a well formulated rinse used at the right dilution will leave less residue (soil is a residue) than soft water alone. The phosphates help carry away the micelles (globs of soil and oils) in the water stream better than water alone.

 

[Doug Rice]

I flunked rocket science class but I try to use as little of any additive as I can. I us ea RV 360i that uses a lot of water and I set my chem meter on my Tm to 1 1/2 to 2 GPH. I figure Im' running so much water through the rinse that I can turn down the Chem feed. I have been using Clean Free as a pre spray and rinse on some jobs. My typical job needs a little stronger pre spray , Bio Break or Zone perfect and then Clean Free or End Zone rinse. I haven't used Procyon as a rinse but have had Fantastic results using it for VLM / Padding jobs. I need some advice on using Clean Free but from what I've found it has to be a spanky clean house to start with.

 

[Tom Forsythe]

Doug,
I agree with your conclusions. Bio Break is one of those pre-sprays that has a lot of rinse agent in the formula. It would be my recommendation for anyone who does not want to use a rinse. However, you will get better results with an emulsifier if used with soft water. Hard water eats up the cleaning capacity of a rinse by using it to soften the water before any cleaning can occur.

Clean Free is best as a pre-spray when there is a lot of chemical residue in the carpet. Test for surfactant residue by putting water in some areas and agitating with a gum getter or bone scraper. If you can create foam, then Clean Free is an excellent choice for this type of job. It reactivates residues and uses them to provide a good cleaning while assisting in their removal