High Flow's piece of the pie

[Mikey P]

12 flow 12 flow 12 flow....


When Greenie brought high flow to the boards we all embraced it so we could use less chems, less agitation.. but we asked for more heat..


Just a hand full of machines can keep up with the demands based on what we saw in our testing in Vegas so...


Buy an Aerotech, an 870, anEverest or a fuel fired El Diablo or just face the fact that you'll need to add an additional ounce of chems to your prespray, wait a few minutes more before rinsing or just scrub a bit harder...




after using our 8 flow Devpro wand for a couple months now, I can tell you... the High Flow Headache may not be worth the concern..

 

[stanco]

I agree with you completely Mike, being on the wand every day for 31 years I learned a long time ago that balance between all things is by far the most important element.
I have tested high flow jetting and there is a lot of merit to. But vac needs to increase at that same degree or the system is out of balance. So you gotta increase the volumetric effcientcy and that means bigger hose and more cfm
to get moisture out. big hose, big vac, big trucks, it all works great but it at a huge cost both to your body and your wallet. I know a lot of you guys might not agree with me ( at least not til your body tells you to.)
So all that said, 1 1/2 wand 1 1/2 hose whip, good flow balance good chems proper technique a whisper quiet truckmount. all this makes my day easier, and I have wonderful happy clients that keep me booked.

 

[Nate The Great]

I agree with you completely Mike, being on the wand every day for 31 years I learned a long time ago that balance between all things is by far the most important element.
I have tested high flow jetting and there is a lot of merit to. But vac needs to increase at that same degree or the system is out of balance. So you gotta increase the volumetric effcientcy and that means bigger hose and more cfm
to get moisture out. big hose, big vac, big trucks, it all works great but it at a huge cost both to your body and your wallet. I know a lot of you guys might not agree with me ( at least not til your body tells you to.)
So all that said, 1 1/2 wand 1 1/2 hose whip, good flow balance good chems proper technique a whisper quiet truckmount. all this makes my day easier, and I have wonderful happy clients that keep me booked.

You had me till you said 1 1/2" wand and whip hose.... I get way better water recovery using 2" straight to the tool...

 

[Mike Draper]

Without Stan putting some sense into me I'd probably have built a V-8 TM with a #10 blower and 3 LG's hooked togethor.

 

[Mikey P]

You had me till you said 1 1/2" wand and whip hose.... I get way better water recovery using 2" straight to the tool...

Turn down your water flow and pressure and up the cherry and apple.

 

[Nate The Great]

Turn down your water flow and pressure and up the cherry and apple.

I don't run crazy high flow like some of you guys do.. Rv360i 300-350psi, zipper jr 400-600psi depending on how long the hose run is.. 2.5" hose to a 25' of 2" whip.. Anything smaller on my machine, I'm just pissing on my balls.....

The customers love the dry time and I love the repeats..

 

[Captain America]

4.5 blower. 33 hp. Engine
Kero heat
Zipper wand...all easier cleaning
I've been saying ever since I got the zipper.....
It's not higher heat it's more water flow at continual heat..just like the power wash guys do.....
160-180 heat is plenty of heat at 12-14 flow no triggering just clean w few dry strokes on that zipper.....
At this flow rate rarely ever need to scrub .....also can use higher ph prespot and it will rinse easier ....
Add fuel heat less than 2000$ it's the only answer at these flow rates........

 

[Dolly Llama]

the "pack follower" mentality tickles me.
very few can figure anything out for themselves .

Some heavyweight board rock star says "this is it" and all pack followers parrot in unison

once you get your porty and shake'n shine rolling and telling all the little boy and girls how great it is, they'll be selling their TMs


Knuckle valves are crap for our application
Firehose flow is and always has been a waste of water
(knew that 20 years ago when I played with jetting then)
9 flow is the sweet spot on the Ti
2.5" hose is no benefit for "normal" length runs (125 and under)
45 blower at 3200 rpm/14HG is still the best single wand blower

it's a waste of time to say anything, cause the "de jour" phenomenon is too powerful and alluring to the pack followers that are unable to figure anything out on their own


..L.T.A.

 

[Mikey P]

9 flow is the sweet spot on the Ti

thats cause you have the lesser 6 jet Ti.


8 flow from 4 jets has more impact..


Wait until you try the DevPro at KingFest

 

[Dolly Llama]

Wait until you try the DevPro at KingFest

everyone will want one when you say you love it.
sales will SKYROCKET

360i
360xl
HOSS
Judstone TMs
Vortex

MSG
(if you'd stayed with that, there's NO DOUBT there would be guys saying it's great)


Love it

..L.T.A.

 

[SamIam]

the "pack follower" mentality tickles me.
very few can figure anything out for themselves .

Some heavyweight board rock star says "this is it" and all pack followers parrot in unison

once you get your porty and shake'n shine rolling and telling all the little boy and girls how great it is, they'll be selling their TMs


Knuckle valves are crap for our application
Firehose flow is and always has been a waste of water
(knew that 20 years ago when I played with jetting then)
9 flow is the sweet spot on the Ti
2.5" hose is no benefit for "normal" length runs (125 and under)

cfm test show more cfm with 50ft 2.5 dropped to 50 feet of 2 inch over a straight 100 feet of 2 inch hose about another 50 cfm


45 blower at 3200 rpm/14HG is still the best single wand blower

All I know is I had a 45 blower and its no where near as awesome as a 47 blower the 48 on my current machine is even better.

it's a waste of time to say anything, cause the "de jour" phenomenon is too powerful and alluring to the pack followers that are unable to figure anything out on their own


..L.T.A.

Ya I could clean with any method, but I prefer easier, faster, and efficeint. I would never go back to a porty.
Mike can swing away and scrub all he wants.

We go between 12 to 9 flow on our ti wand, I run 8 flow on my quad jet 14 inch westpac, I also carry smaller quad wands with 6 flow when needed.

90 percent of all jobs get helper pre vacuums, I setup machine and wall gaurds to farthest point, and pre spray, helper rakes in pre spray, then we take turns cleaning and backing up towards the truck while dropping fans and blocking and chipping furniture.

We both pack up, I go back in customer all ready has a roll of complimentary shoe covers, I put shoe covers on recover fans and get paid.

We rarely break out a heavy rotary but carry them when needed. we knock out 4-5 jobs a day per truck.

 

[Mark Saiger]

I do have to say, used the Devpro at the Experience Convention for past three days on and off... I just bought a new Prochem Titanium pimped out wand for new Butler, but really might still buy one of the Devpro too... Very impressed to be honest

My wife is just rolling her eyes and shaking her head right now... Lol

 

[Mikey P]

MSG?

 

[SamIam]

12 flow 12 flow 12 flow....


When Greenie brought hi flow to the boards we all embraced it so we could use less chems, less agitation but we asked for more heat..


Just a hand full of machines can keep up with the demands based on what we saw in our testing in Vegas so...


Buy a Aaerotech, a 870 or Everest or just face the fact that you'll need to add an additional ounce of chems to your prespray, wait a few minutes more before rinsing or just scrub a bit harder...




after using our 8 flow Devpro wand for a couple months now, I can tell you... the High Flow Headache may not be worth the concern..

Master blends el diablo kept up heat wise too same numbers as the everest.

 

[stanco]

I hope you guys don't think I am against high flow, that really wasn't the point I was trying to make. What I think is vital is all things need to be equal.
If you're running a small blower truck mount you might wanna rethink the whole high flow concept. That doesn't mean you can't clean throughly with less flow and have great results.
You're skills make up the biggest part of the cleaning pie.

 

[stanco]

I hope you guys don't think I am against high flow, that really wasn't the point I was trying to make. What I think is vital is all things need to be equal.
If you're running a small blower truck mount you might wanna rethink the whole high flow concept. That doesn't mean you can't clean throughly with less flow and have great results.
You're skills make up the biggest part of the cleaning pie.

 

[jcooper]

PCti, four jets, eight flow at 400 psi is perfect for a ss370.

The 360i is normally 300 psi.

 

[Dolly Llama]

Ya I could clean with any method, but I prefer easier, faster, and efficeint. I would never go back to a porty.

me too...rather be thumb gouged in the eye than use a porty daily

do have one though.
bought a RUG DOCTOR from Home Depot
They had a dozen of them for sale .
i picked the best one (that didn't stink or had tons of foam/water run thru the vac)
paid $380 for it

I was pleasantly surprised at just how well it DOES clean.
i leave it at a PITA TM set up older folks apt complex .
(the reason I bought it) cause I felt guilty shake 'n shinning those apts

Taught the maintenance guy (who's also a friend) how to run it.
i pay him 30%

he's done dozens and dozens of apts for me in multiple locations .
That little machine has paid for it's self 40 times over


..L.T.A.

 

[dgardner]

MSG?

That's just silly! (puts jar behind back.....)

 

[dgardner]

http://mikeysboard.com/forum/index.php?threads/msg-the-miracle-carpet-pre-spray-booster.240106/

 

[Dolly Llama]

MSG?

pre-spray booster

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monosodium_glutamate


..L.T.A.

 

[Mark Saiger]

That's just silly! (puts jar behind back.....)

MSG?

Message here from my wife is "it's next to impossible to keep Mark on a budget when he sees something he likes"... Lol

Other MSG? Not sure about

 

[kmdineen]

the "pack follower" mentality tickles me.
very few can figure anything out for themselves .

Some heavyweight board rock star says "this is it" and all pack followers parrot in unison






2.5" hose is no benefit for "normal" length runs (125 and under)


it's a waste of time to say anything, cause the "de jour" phenomenon is too powerful and alluring to the pack followers that are unable to figure anything out on their own


..L.T.A.

I have to disagree with you on this one Larry. I run 2 1/2" vacuum hose to a 2" whip on my 47 Butler when cleaning carpet and it makes a huge difference. I run all 2 1/2" vacuum hose to my Hydro x Extreme extractor when extracting water through carpet and carpet cushion on water damage jobs and again I can see the difference through my sight tube, more water extracted in fewer passes.

 

[Papa John]

I learned a long time ago that balance between all things is by far the most important element.

I agree--Balance is the Key-- imho.
Basically you have to be within the Specs/Limits of your chosen machine and figure what works best for that machine.-- That's why we all have different opinions.

I know when I'm using a porty I have to slow down on stokes and maybe use more dry passes. If its a heated porty then you will have to do smaller "cleaning squares" then a TM due to the limitations of the heating element.
Using different extraction tools might require different flow and techniques.

 

[SamIam]

I have to say I did like the results from my 6 flow aw29 no whip just a 1.5 inch cuff over wand end and 2 inch hose over cuff.

 

[ruff]

It all depends on where you get it from.
So, for clarity purpose and before he succeeds, I want to make it clear that Cobb's MSG is by far the best.

 

[Dolly Llama]

I have to say I did like the results from my 6 flow aw29 no whip just a 1.5 inch cuff over wand end and 2 inch hose over cuff.

six months after being in the biz ('90) I pitched the whip
('cept for upl)

when i ran AW29 wands (which i still consider a great wand up to 350psi) i ran two wands on the van.
One with 04 jeting for light/minimal soil and 06 for rentals .
Tried as much as 10, settled on 06

I run 2 1/2" vacuum hose to a 2" whip on my 47 Butler when cleaning carpet and it makes a huge difference.

more power to ya, brother

..L.T.A.

 

[Able 1]

9 flow is probably the best balance for the TM's I run.. 12 does rinse better tho..

 

[dealtimeman]

well now i am going to sell my vortex's and get some 18 hp number 3 blower machine with 1 1/2 hose.

i don't think i will be in biz very long if i do this, so never mind.

 

[Desk Jockey]

its the man NOT the machine that makes the difference. ALTHOUGH in your case you better keep the machine.