Just how much dry soil..

[Jeff Madsen]

I don't know if it's making a world of difference or not, but just from a convenience standpoint I couldn't stop pre-vaccing now. I like:

not watching crap blow around on top of the carpet while I pre spray
not trying to pick up that one piece of crap the wand just doesn't want to pick up
not having to pressure wash crap out of my waste tank
not having crap next to and on the baseboards
not having crap on my shoes and legs (usually when using mech. agitation)
not having to explain to my custy why we don't need to vacuum as I put down pre spray
not having to chisel the crap off my wand, 360, etc.

 

[alazo1]

I bring the vacuum in on most jobs.

Albert

 

[The Preacher]

offer them a price for the owner to vac or the cleaner to vac. Island boy says we don't know how much $$$ our clients have if we don't ask for some of it!!!

DAnny
SFS grad u ate

 

[John Watson]

If you want to see what came out of an 8x10 Karastan Rug almost 27 Lbs.

http://www.therughub.com/cgi-bin/forum/ ... 223354576/

You guys need to ask Toony about how much potting soil a square foot of carpet can hold and not be seen on the serface.

I tease my friend from Canadia Ron, about his vacuuming tecniques, I, in a way am envious. In my older age I just listen and keep vacing as long as I hear it picking up. Ol Ron, don't stop till his ClearTrac just don't git no mo..

Most residentuial carpet pile is longer than the Karastan's, We choose to vacuum, we also know we are doing a better job and our client expect it, than the majority in our service area

 

[Studebaker]

That gives me a idea or vision if you must

 

[John Watson]

Speak up Keith,

 

[Ron Werner]

Well, I would say the reasons "to" vacuum have been pretty well covered. If you're not prevacuuming, you're guessing that its clean.
I've found over the past 13yrs that very simply, if I remove the soil, I won't just know its clean, oddly enough it will look clean as well!

Many times you can't tell what's IN the carpet, just like that wool pic above. One time I got 14 canisters of deodorizer powder from one 200sf room that "looked" very clean, ie already well vacuumed. My last post about vacuuming showed soil that came out of a carpet where there was no clue it would even be there.

AS such I strongly disagree with Loren:

So if you clean an average 1000 sq ft job, and you spend 1 hour vacuuming, and 2 hours cleaning, (3 hours total) will you get the carpet to either be as clean or look as clean as you would if you didn't prevac and spent all 3 hours Rotovacing? My money is on 3 hours of flushing instead of just 2 hours of flushing.

I would much rather take the extra hour to dry vac. I watched a guy here in Victoria run an RX20 over a carpet and it turned brown before our eyes. He went over the same area over and over and over and over and it still turned brown! TEN minutes with a vacuum and he could have spent a fraction of the time RXing.

NOTHING will remove "hair" better than dry vacuuming. When a hair gets wet it "sticks". I can spend an extra 20 minutes getting that hair off dry, at the clients expence in electricity and 20 min of my time, or spend that same extra 20 minutes at MY expense in TM time, and still leave a lot of hair on the carpet.

The very fine dry particulate is the same.
Get it wet and it stays.
Remove it dry and its out of the equation.

 

[Loren Egland]

Loren wrote: "some carpets are best cleaned with a good prevacuuming"

Ron wrote: "I strongly disagree with Loren"



If you only quote part of my post, you might get the wrong idea, just as I am giving by quoting only part of Ron's post.

I understand what Ron is saying, and I have seen the brown come up like he mentions. These are the times a prevac is useful. However, no amount of prevacuuming is going to remove all embedded dry particulate soil. In sandy areas, the sand can become part of the backing and even go right through to the pad or floor. BTW, I have a Certified Pile Lifter for such occasions.

From reading some of these posts, it appears some cleaners use vacuuming as a marketing tool more than a cleaning tool. Nothing at all wrong with that.

BTW, Ron and I had a conversation at Mikeyfest over dinner and we did disagree on the importance of High Temperatures for cleaning. But I see those great videos he produces for marketing, and even if we do things differently, Ron appears to be a very good cleaner.

 

[Ron Werner]

well, there is HIGH and then there is HIGH.

I'm not an advocate of HIGH

No matter what temp, give it a good prevac and over half the problems are removed

Or as I tell my clients, I prevac to remove the soil OUT of the carpet
Then I steam clean to remove the soil OFF the carpet.
There response is always the same; "That makes sense"

 

[Rex Tyus]

I am glad it makes sense to your clients.

 

[Farenheit251]

Lowering quality to meet price is a slippery slope.

Now your just another guy with a TM. I can't compete with the 22 year olds on speed and number cleaned per day. Most of the older prespray and suck guys I know aren't doing well financially. I feel like I need to do something to set myself apart and vacuum plus airpaths they should notice a difference.

 

[renegade_cowboy]

Lowering quality to meet price is a slippery slope.

Now your just another guy with a TM. I can't compete with the 22 year olds on speed and number cleaned per day. Most of the older prespray and suck guys I know aren't doing well financially. I feel like I need to do something to set myself apart and vacuum plus airpaths they should notice a difference.

Im curious are you doing anything different with your marketing to make you stand out? Is there anything else you are doing in the house to make you stand out?

Thanks
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