Kerosene truck mount question

[encapman]

Here is a quick question for you guys who use super high heat. I was asked to help someone with this. The carpet has recently been cleaned with a kerosene heated truck mount. There are clearly indentations in the cut pile carpet from the jets. It's as if the carpet has been distorted where the solution had been sprayed. An attempt was later made with a cylindrical brush machine to try to correct it. That improved the condition a little, but it still has the indentations. The indentations look like the fiber has lost its resiliency. I'm pretty sure this was caused by extreme heat! Do any of you guys have any suggestions to fix this, aside from replacement?

Here's a picture.

 

[Shorty]

I think you answered your own question Rick.

I know what my 2nd best buddy over in KneeBraSki (Jimmy Ladwig) would say.......................

Should'a used a Cimex.

 

[encapman]

It wasn't actually my job, or it may have gotten a Cimex. LOL

 

[Mikey P]

I'd get it hot and wet again and groom those out

 

[Zee]

I'd be careful saying hight heat caused it.

If it was really the high heat, why isn't the rest of the carpet distorted uniformly the same way?

Was it only cleaned on those tiny distorted lines? Or was the wand really a magical instrument where one jet was producing polyhorror melting temperatures and the other jet(s) were just lukewarm?

I would look at the wand first carefully and see if some of the jets aren't clogged. It looks to be distortion from high pressure where a partially clogged jet was producing higher impact pressure through a smaller opening (kind of sideways).

 

[Zee]

And yes I have a high heat diesel burner but never melted anything... Although, normally, I don't run it anymore over 220.

 

[encapman]

Do you think that pressure could put permanent indentations into the pile? I'm not saying that isn't possible. But I'm really thinking it was extremely high heat that loosened the heatset of this cut pile fiber.The lines in the carpet correspond with where each of the jets would have been on the wind. These lines are uniformly spread throughout the entire carpet.

 

[encapman]

I'd get it hot and wet again and groom those out

That's what I was thinking too. Just wondering how effective that might be?

 

[Jim Pemberton]

I would look at the wand first carefully and see if some of the jets aren't clogged. It looks to be distortion from high pressure where a partially clogged jet was producing higher impact pressure through a smaller opening (kind of sideways).

I'm inclined to agree with Zee

Do you know the gentleman who did this Rick? It would be good if he could supply some information as to the type of wand he was using, jet placement, distance from the carpet, heat used, etc.

I think its more of a jet and pressure problem, although heat can contribute to it.

I've fixed these with a rotary jet extractor at times, other times its not worked. Do you know if its nylon, poly, olefin, or triexta?

 

[encapman]

I don't have a lot more details on it right now. Just the photograph and a description. I believe it is nylon carpet. I think you have a good idea Jim about a rotary extractor. They have access to an RX 20. And I had recommended that they use it. I'm just concerned that they might leave an overall swirl pattern from the RX 20 if it heats up like it did the first time. I guess they would just have to be very careful and monitor what they're doing. I can try to get some more information about the fiber type. I'm just trying to help someone out at this point.

 

[Mike Draper]

I ran my edge tool at to high a pressure once and it did the same thing. I'm guessing it was a pressure or messed up jet that cuased it.

 

[Jack Zipper Zerkie]

Looks like jets and pressure Iv'e done that a few times but is fixed with dry strokes. jz

 

[Desk Jockey]

I agree I would try an RE but it doesn't appear to be reversible from the photo.

 

[rjwood]

How hot do kerosene heaters make the solution?

 

[Desk Jockey]

When a mill tested TM's several years ago those that were kero heat rated the hottest.

That was prior to Vortex/Aerotec so I'm not sure if they have changed that.

 

[Spurlington]

Looks like something clogged a small portion of the spray tip which created higher pressure concentration next to the clog site. Also the light streaks may be from the detergent being pounded in. Reminds me of the day when I used Fab Pro extraction detergent on dirty carpet .. the area that puddled on the back stroke (with the water left on) would leave a lighter strip.

Id try jackin up the pressure and hydroforce the solution at close range .. let it sit for a bit then scrub wand it away.

Higher concentration of detergent might blend that in a bit - Im guessing !!

 

[rjwood]

Perhaps something was dragged along the carpet and wasn't caused by a cleaner at all?

 

[Mikey P]

pressure AND heat caused that.

 

[Lee Stockwell]

Tip flaring. One needs to immediately recognize it in time to reduce heat and pressure on certain carpets.

A combination of close jets and fine denier fibers typically do it.

 

[BradFenstermaker]

More of pressure issue than heat.
Have the company do some wand scapping downtown.

Clean there jets and turn down heat and pressure. Pretreat and reclean slowly. Plenty of vac passes.

I used kero for years. Cheaper plus builder grade wood do this often. Had to make adjustments after a few strokes.

These cleaners didn't pay attention if the whole place is streaked up.

 

[Nate The Great]

More of pressure issue than heat.
Have the company do some wand scapping downtown.

Clean there jets and turn down heat and pressure. Pretreat and reclean slowly. Plenty of vac passes.

I used kero for years. Cheaper plus builder grade wood do this often. Had to make adjustments after a few strokes.

These cleaners didn't pay attention if the whole place is streaked up.

Whoever did the whole job like that shouldn't be cleaning carpets.... No attention to detail..... If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you!

I'd have to say clogged jet and heat played a part....

 

[dealtimeman]

If no one else will admit to it, I will.

I have done that to many carpets. And I mean very many. It's funny to see some of the carpets I did 8-9 years ago with those impact marks and no one has ever complained, some even ask why I don't leave those marks any more.

When you don't know what you are doing and turn the pressure too high no your tm has blazing heat (Cobbs tm) that will happen every time with a classic 2 jet wand.

It is a high pressure with high heat that accomplishes those impact streaks. "Damage" is somewhat reversible.

A good heated RE pass, followed by some grooming will get most of it out.

 

[Desk Jockey]

Fookin hack!

Honest as the day is long.....but a FOOKIN hack still the same!

 

[dealtimeman]

I calling Dan tomorrow so yous betta relax mista!

 

[Mikey P]

Never had this problem with a Cimex, right Richard?

 

[Nampa Carpet Cleaning]

High Heat, pressure and bad jets. I am sure Billy Bob saved them some money though.

Probably one of those guys on Craigslist who has the ''baddest TM around''

The Champion of the World is the baddest dude out there

 

[encapman]

Thank you for all the feedback on this! I really appreciate it. I'll pass along the suggestion to use a rotary extractor with high heat and simultaneously groom it. You guys are great.

 

[Steve Lawrence]

I'd try a rotary extractor to attempt the fix. I'd keep the heat pretty high and pressure higher than usual at about 450. Extra vac passes.

 

[Spurlington]

Replacing the jets may allow the water to fan out a bit .. reducing too much pressure flowing from the center

 

[dealtimeman]

Bad jets might complicate but a brand new narrow jets at high pressure will do the same.