Now who are you voting for?

[Rex Tyus]

It was your comment so *you* back it up.

Yes i musta missed the poll where black people voted for him because he is black. Sorry.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21225966/

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21225968/

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21225969/

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21225970/

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21225972/

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21225973/

You can go state by state on the whole site if you think I cherry picked any of them. Started with the A's and went straight down.

 

[renegade_cowboy]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21225966/[/url]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21225968/

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21225969/

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21225970/

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21225972/

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21225973/

You can go state by state on the whole site if you think I cherry picked any of them. Started with the A's and went straight down.[/quote:2xusblng]

Good job Rex you found them. Do you think that is why he is ahead now?

 

[joey895]

William Ayers then:

In 1969 he cofounded the radical left organization the Weather Underground, which conducted a campaign of bombing public buildings during the 1960s and 1970s.

William Ayers today:

Ayers is currently a Distinguished Professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago, College of Education. His interests include teaching for social justice, urban educational reform, narrative and interpretive research, children in trouble with the law, and related issues.[35]

He began his career in primary education while an undergraduate, teaching at the Children’s Community School (CCS), a project founded by a group of students and based on the Summerhill method of education. After leaving the underground, he earned an M.Ed from Bank Street College in Early Childhood Education (1984), an M.Ed from Teachers College, Columbia University in Early Childhood Education (1987) and an Ed.D from Teachers College, Columbia University in Curriculum and Instruction

Ayers worked with Chicago Mayor Richard M. Daley in shaping the city's school reform program and was one of three co-authors of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge grant proposal that in 1995 won $49.2 million over five years for public school reform.

*In 1997 Chicago awarded him its Citizen of the Year award for his work on the project.*

Since 1999 he has served on the board of directors of the Woods Fund of Chicago, an anti-poverty, philanthropic foundation established as the Woods Charitable Fund in 1941.

***According to Ayers, his radical past occasionally affects him, as when, by his account, he was asked not to attend a progressive educators' conference in the fall of 2006 on the basis that the organizers did not want to risk an association with his past.***

William Ayers in the later years had the same interest as Obama, to help and educate. I guess once a terroist always a terroist huh, even if he strives to make things better for different groups and *does*. Shame on him.

WOW! I never would have thought you would resort to defending a terrorist. YES once a terrorist always a terrorist. This man is a traitor to his country in a different time he would have been hung from a tall tree on a short rope. In fact in my opinion he should still be hung.

He is unrepentant, in fact just a couple of years ago he when asked about his actions in the 60's he said he didn't do enough. You seem to think he became an "educator" because he wants to "help" people. The truth is he became an educator because he figured out he could get the things he wants by influencing our youth.

 

[joey895]

Did you seriously just question "once a terrorist, always a terrorist"?

Ummmmm,YES

Are you for real?

 

[XTREME1]

Joey, Rex,

Stop it. Your wasting your time. As most know, my wife is a Brain Injury Specialist who is a Neuropsychologists with a PhD. Although she is a liberal she has given me the brain structure of a liberal. Take a look

 

[renegade_cowboy]

[quote="The Green One":k9aojb9h]William Ayers then:

In 1969 he cofounded the radical left organization the Weather Underground, which conducted a campaign of bombing public buildings during the 1960s and 1970s.

William Ayers today:

Ayers is currently a Distinguished Professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago, College of Education. His interests include teaching for social justice, urban educational reform, narrative and interpretive research, children in trouble with the law, and related issues.[35]

He began his career in primary education while an undergraduate, teaching at the Children’s Community School (CCS), a project founded by a group of students and based on the Summerhill method of education. After leaving the underground, he earned an M.Ed from Bank Street College in Early Childhood Education (1984), an M.Ed from Teachers College, Columbia University in Early Childhood Education (1987) and an Ed.D from Teachers College, Columbia University in Curriculum and Instruction

Ayers worked with Chicago Mayor Richard M. Daley in shaping the city's school reform program and was one of three co-authors of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge grant proposal that in 1995 won $49.2 million over five years for public school reform.

*In 1997 Chicago awarded him its Citizen of the Year award for his work on the project.*

Since 1999 he has served on the board of directors of the Woods Fund of Chicago, an anti-poverty, philanthropic foundation established as the Woods Charitable Fund in 1941.

***According to Ayers, his radical past occasionally affects him, as when, by his account, he was asked not to attend a progressive educators' conference in the fall of 2006 on the basis that the organizers did not want to risk an association with his past.***

William Ayers in the later years had the same interest as Obama, to help and educate. I guess once a terroist always a terroist huh, even if he strives to make things better for different groups and *does*. Shame on him.

WOW! I never would have thought you would resort to defending a terrorist. YES once a terrorist always a terrorist. This man is a traitor to his country in a different time he would have been hung from a tall tree on a short rope. In fact in my opinion he should still be hung.

He is unrepentant, in fact just a couple of years ago he when asked about his actions in the 60's he said he didn't do enough. You seem to think he became an "educator" because he wants to "help" people. The truth is he became an educator because he figured out he could get the things he wants by influencing our youth.[/quote:k9aojb9h]

He did do enough to stop the war, he said, didnt say that he should of bombed more. Gotta call BS on your last sentence, you dont know that. You are just afraid, quit watching the FOX channel.

 

[renegade_cowboy]

I guess I walked into this one, trying to show how they had similar interest in the later years in the Chicago area, helping children and others and not the terroist he was. My bad. Your right lets hang him despite what he has done for the last 30 years.

 

[joey895]

I guess I walked into this one, trying to show how they had similar interest in the later years in the Chicago area, helping children and others and not the terroist he was. My bad. Your right lets hang him despite what he has done for the last 30 years.

Ummm you're totally missing my point. He should have been hung 30 years ago. He is a POS.

 

[XTREME1]

First off if Ayers is such a good guy why would Obama lie about there relationship?

Ayers wife was on the FBIs top ten most wanted for committing acts against the USA

Ayers and his group were responsible for bombing the Capitol. The Pentagon. A judge’s home. We know recently Ayers said, ‘I don’t regret setting bombs. …. I feel we didn’t do enough,’”

and when you start looking at all the people around him, you can make an educated guess about him. Rev Wright, Ayers, Raines, Rezko etc etc

 

[Rex Tyus]

Good job Rex you found them. Do you think that is why he is ahead now?

1st
I did not have to "find" them. I knew where they were.

2nd
No. That was never the question. However if the Black vote was as equally divided as EVERY OTHER ethnic group The democrats would never win an election. That is the real reason the "Super Delegates" chose him as the victor. They gambled that the female vote would stay with them because of abortion and they knew the black vote would stay home (don't bother to ask for stats on this as it is my OPINION on the matter).

I would also add that I am one of the few Reps that think the Ayers story is a waste of time. I have said so more than once. If McCain can't make the point that Obama's ECONOMIC plan is not the right "change" he will certainly loose. History is on his side and he ignores this.

 

[Mike Draper]

Liberalism is a mental disorder :!:

 

[steve frasier]

Are the democrates really running the country? Yes they have the majority but what have they really changed since they took majority?

They said they would stop the war and bring the troops home but they couldn't. They threatened to stop funding the war but it never happened.

I think the country is really ran by the moderates who each party needs to swing thier way and by the the people who stick their finger in the wind to see what direction they need to take to get elected again

 

[joey895]

I think the country is really ran by the moderates who each party needs to swing thier way and by the the people who stick their finger in the wind to see what direction they need to take to get elected again

I think the country isn't being ran at all due to a stalemate....actually more like a mexican stand-off

the "bailout" being the exception after the sheeple were convinced it was the right thing to do.......

I don't think the "sheeple" were convinced at all the the bailout was the right thing to do. I don't know of a single person who is for the bailout. My understanding from even the media is that a majority of americans were against the bailout. Heck I've had customers bring it up to me before it passed and telling me to call our congressman and they were very vocally against it.

The bailout is yet another example of our elected politicians not caring what the american people want because they in all their wisdom know better than us.

I say vote out EVERY incumbent that voted for the bailout which would be most of them and then lets start over.

 

[jayjacques]

I guess I walked into this one, trying to show how they had similar interest in the later years in the Chicago area, helping children and others and not the terroist he was. My bad. Your right lets hang him despite what he has done for the last 30 years.

Thank you for showing the truth even though it's not popular. Similiar interests but they didn't buddy around. There really is no ties to terrorists or muslims or unAmerican anything. A bunch of people just grasping at anything to make a case that's not there and supposed "straight talk" politicians twisting stuff enough to actually incite crowds to be violent. Reminds me of a bumper sticker I once saw that said "Kill All Extremists". It's the pot calling the kettle black.

 

[Mike Draper]

I guess I walked into this one, trying to show how they had similar interest in the later years in the Chicago area, helping children and others and not the terroist he was. My bad. Your right lets hang him despite what he has done for the last 30 years.

Thank you for showing the truth even though it's not popular. Similiar interests but they didn't buddy around. There really is no ties to terrorists or muslims or unAmerican anything. A bunch of people just grasping at anything to make a case that's not there and supposed "straight talk" politicians twisting stuff enough to actually incite crowds to be violent. Reminds me of a bumper sticker I once saw that said "Kill All Extremists". It's the pot calling the kettle black.

Ignorance, it's laughable at best.

 

[Mike Draper]

From Audacity of Hope:'I will stand with the Muslims should the
political winds shift in an ugly direction.

 

[jayjacques]

From Audacity of Hope:'I will stand with the Muslims should the
political winds shift in an ugly direction.

Geez. Check your source. That's not a true quote at all. The context clearly shows he was referring to mistreatment of U.S. citizens and makes no mention of muslims.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/ownwords.asp

 

[Brian R]

I couldn't read all the posts so I will answer what I did read.

I still say McCain will be our next pres.

People will vote for safety first and if they have a brain then they will realize that the pres really only has an effect on taxes as far as economy goes. The economy will work itself out accordingly.

No on the job training.

People will see through Barack's flamboyant (sp) mannerisms and realize that he is a speaker and not a doer.

His supporters know this and that is why they are out in full force trying to convince everyone else.

The poll uptop speak for itself. It's a straight poll...not a liberaly manipulated media poll.

Kerry was ahead in the polls as well.

 

[Mike Draper]

I couldn't read all the posts so I will answer what I did read.

I still say McCain will be our next pres.

People will vote for safety first and if they have a brain then they will realize that the pres really only has an effect on taxes as far as economy goes. The economy will work itself out accordingly.

No on the job training.

People will see through Barack's flamboyant (sp) mannerisms and realize that he is a speaker and not a doer.

His supporters know this and that is why they are out in full force trying to convince everyone else.

The poll uptop speak for itself. It's a straight poll...not a liberaly manipulated media poll.

Kerry was ahead in the polls as well.

I support you, but I think people will vote for whoever promises the most shit! Unfortunatley these same people are to dumb to realize it's all promises that can't be kept.

 

[Rex Tyus]

I couldn't read all the posts so I will answer what I did read.

I still say McCain will be our next pres.

People will vote for safety first and if they have a brain then they will realize that the pres really only has an effect on taxes as far as economy goes. The economy will work itself out accordingly.

No on the job training.

People will see through Barack's flamboyant (sp) mannerisms and realize that he is a speaker and not a doer.

His supporters know this and that is why they are out in full force trying to convince everyone else.

The poll uptop speak for itself. It's a straight poll...not a liberaly manipulated media poll.

Kerry was ahead in the polls as well.

Sorry dude. That is not accurate. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/bush_vs_kerry_hth.html

The only poll Kerry was ahead in was the exit polls on election day. They contributed that to agressive supporters that sought out pollsters and tainted the results. No one has had this much of a lead this long at this point that did not hold on to win since Dewey.

The poll up top does not reflect the "average" American. Most here are business owners that beleive in capitolism. That is no longer the case with majority of Americans.

 

[Able 1]

Bob Vawter,

His plan includes dumping in the streets...

Using rinse that could clean oven hoods...

He would also ensure that everybody has walk off paper...

His plan really all comes down to NEVER lift your wand off he carpet!

(IMO no matter who is the next president things will suck like a 2.5 hose! Then we can blame those that voted for either pres. for doing so, or not!)


Keith

 

[Curtis Pennington]

Ronald Reagan was behind on every poll....and won by a landslide.

 

[ruff]

Dedicated to our republican friends:


Bulls, Bears, Donkeys and Elephants by Tommy McCall

Since 1929, Republicans and Democrats have each controlled the presidency for nearly 40 years. So which party has been better for American pocketbooks and capitalism as a whole? Well, here’s an experiment: imagine that during these years you had to invest exclusively under either Democratic or Republican administrations. How would you have fared?

As of Friday, a $10,000 investment in the S.& P. stock market index* would have grown to $11,733 if invested under Republican presidents only, although that would be $51,211 if we exclude Herbert Hoover’s presidency during the Great Depression. Invested under Democratic presidents only, $10,000 would have grown to $300,671 at a compound rate of 8.9 percent over nearly 40 years.

To sum it up: If you want to be poor, vote republican.
Joey.............???????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[floorguy]

What he fails to mention is this:


What language would we be speaking????

Because it sure as hell wouldnt be english/american...

all that money you made, was at the expense of the D.O.D

 

[ruff]

What he fails to mention is this:


What language would we be speaking????

Because it sure as hell wouldnt be english/american...

all that money you made, was at the expense of the D.O.D

Spanglish of course.
Like Ital-glish before, and Irish-glish earlier and Yidish and so forth.
And all the immigration waves that kept this country vibrant throughout its existence.

Which by the way were always put down by the people who were there before.
It's a great tradition.

Capiche?! :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

 

[Rex Tyus]

Dedicated to our republican friends:


Bulls, Bears, Donkeys and Elephants by Tommy McCall

Since 1929, Republicans and Democrats have each controlled the presidency for nearly 40 years. So which party has been better for American pocketbooks and capitalism as a whole? Well, here’s an experiment: imagine that during these years you had to invest exclusively under either Democratic or Republican administrations. How would you have fared?

As of Friday, a $10,000 investment in the S.& P. stock market index* would have grown to $11,733 if invested under Republican presidents only, although that would be $51,211 if we exclude Herbert Hoover’s presidency during the Great Depression. Invested under Democratic presidents only, $10,000 would have grown to $300,671 at a compound rate of 8.9 percent over nearly 40 years.

To sum it up: If you want to be poor, vote republican.
Joey.............???????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

First of all why would you exclude Hoover. Second The market ALWAYS tanks in the winter after a Democrat gets the nod in NOV. Therefore it is much easier to post an increase. In contrast on news of a Republican being elected the market booms in the winter after the nov results come in. This has been beat to death year after year. Don't you watch the news?

 

[ruff]

First of all why would you exclude Hoover. Second The market ALWAYS tanks in the winter after a Democrat gets the nod in NOV. Therefore it is much easier to post an increase. In contrast on news of a Republican being elected the market booms in the winter after the nov results come in. This has been beat to death year after year. Don't you watch the news?

You make absolutely no sense!
Just curious, did you actually read it before you responded? Or was it instinctive?
And did you actually read what you wrote!

I did not exclude Hoover, the writer of the article did. If you'd not exclude him the Republican statistics would be worse (after all he was a REPPPPPPPPPPP.)

I like your interpretation of the seasons, it's.........................different.
So does the winter come because of the republicans or the democrats?
Frankly I always thought it had something to do with the sun, but then, "I don't watch the news?"

But to quote a great American:" You could disagree with me....BUT YOU WOULD BE WRONG!"

Ooops!

 

[Rex Tyus]

Yes I read it and the point is my post is as relavent as the article. Sorry that was lost on you. There are too many variables to over simplify which president is best based on those statistics. Aside from the fact the dems and reps did not control 40 consecutive years each and then the other. It is a MOOT point. I appologize for being too vague in my response. If it still is over your head I appoligize again as I really don't have the time to explain it.

One of the problems this country has is basing perception on the performance of a companies stock price vs the companies actuall profitability. Does .com ring a bell? If company execs were paid on profitablity vs stock value we would see a different environment. But that is another topic.

 

[ruff]

Yes I read it and the point is my post is as relavent as the article. Sorry that was lost on you. There are too many variables to over simplify which president is best based on those statistics. Aside from the fact the dems and reps did not control 40 consecutive years each and then the other. It is a MOOT point. I appologize for being too vague in my response. If it still is over your head I appoligize again as I really don't have the time to explain it.

One of the problems this country has is basing perception on the performance of a companies stock price vs the companies actuall profitability. Does .com ring a bell? If company execs were paid on profitablity vs stock value we would see a different environment. But that is another topic.

With 2750 posts?
Evidently you got plenty of time my friend.

 

[XTREME1]

Of course, not all my conversations in immigrant communities follow this easy pattern. In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific reassurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."

He is obviously talking about muslims