Please help me keep an eye out for a Chevy W4500

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I'm on the hunt for a nice low-ish mile used Chevy/GM/Isuzu W4500

I'll be putting a 12 ft long, five ft high box on it. What ever is on the used one will be taken off and sold.



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but...but....my Genie won't FIT in that truck Mikey! thathurts
whatcha gonna put IN it?
 

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the box should be high enough to stand in. at least that's my opinion. mine is just a little over 6' inside.

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screw that, i am keeping an eye open for myself.... blowme blowme blowme blowme blowme
Iseeru Iseeru Iseeru Iseeru Iseeru Iseeru
 

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Don't want or need the Diesel headaches and costs.

I need the turning radius that comes with a Cab Over.

Good fuel economy.

Can handle the weight of a Dual Wand set up.

I want to be like Jim when I grow up
 

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Mikey P said:
Don't want or need the Diesel headaches and costs.

I need the turning radius that comes with a Cab Over.

Good fuel economy.

Can handle the weight of a Dual Wand set up.

I want to be like Jim when I grow up

Nice trucks for sure, but the great fuel economy stated on other threads has me baffled.

A 2005 Chevy pick up truck gets 15-16 mpg combined fuel economy depending on engine choice (5.3 liter or 6.0 liter). EMPTY

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/bymodel/ ... rado.shtml

Why would a loaded cab over with worse aerodynamics get similar or better fuel economy?
 

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correct me if i'm wrong but weren't chevy w4500's discontinued in 2009?

Does this mean after you purchase one we're gonna have to listen to you bitch and moan about how chevy no longer supports them? shiteatinggrin

Great!

why don't you buy something that has not been discontinued like a freaking Isuzu!!!

From what i understand Chevy dealers are suppose to refer you to Isuzu Authorized Centers for service anyhow.

Then again, it may be jealousy speaking. I'm seriously considering a new Freightliner 3500 170" WB myself. Besides, the turning radious can't be any worse than my F350 Supercrew.

Good luck! I'll keep my eyes peeled for ya!
 

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George III said:
correct me if i'm wrong but weren't chevy w4500's discontinued in 2009?

Does this mean after you purchase one we're gonna have to listen to you bitch and moan about how chevy no longer supports them? shiteatinggrin

Great!

why don't you buy something that has not been discontinued like a freaking Isuzu!!!

From what i understand Chevy dealers are suppose to refer you to Isuzu Authorized Centers for service anyhow.

Then again, it may be jealousy speaking. I'm seriously considering a new Freightliner 3500 170" WB myself. Besides, the turning radious can't be any worse than my F350 Supercrew.

Good luck! I'll keep my eyes peeled for ya!

I have yet to figure out what the difference between the Chevy and the Isuzu is............
 

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the gas motor is the only diff between the chevy and isuzu. It took me many months of looking to find mine. 06, 40k miles. $20.000 Because they are so hard to find with low miles in good condition. I wasnt able to negotiate much, or at all.
 

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Mike Draper said:
the gas motor is the only diff between the chevy and isuzu. It took me many months of looking to find mine. 06, 40k miles. $20.000 Because they are so hard to find with low miles in good condition. I wasnt able to negotiate much, or at all.

I thought in have seen some Isuzu's that were gas powered and not diesel....
 

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Where do you get a 5ft + 12ft box?
Ive looked all over and cant find a company that makes them.

I have 2 Mid 90s isuzu cab over chasis just sitting there, im not driving them untill I get a short stubby box on them.
 

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most people think I am crazy, keep in mind they likely have only driven and owned 1 of these trucks and likely baby it. but the last place I worked before starting my business had a fleet of NPR gas trucks that we used for water damage work. motors were toast at around 100-120k never saw a trans last more than 30k, yeah thats not a misprint 30k miles. the build quailty of the interior is pathetic, get in one grap the lever that adjusts the area the heat and AC is supposed to blow, move it back and forth 10 times. I bet something in the dash will break and cause the lever not to work anymore. I personally ruined at least 3 rear ends because of getting stuck in the snow. the brakes also sucked as the rotors would warp soon after a brake job, so all the trucks had warped rotors, this is even on the heavy duty 1400 models. would I buy one, HELL NO.

the ONE diesel we had would get 16 mpg, the gas trucks all got 7 mpg on a good day, this is carrying a 7ft high box and a typical weight of about 12k. MPG measurement was taken by me HANDCALCULATED, it was not a wish, its not an exaggeration its what the trucks would get. it seems like there is a big difference with internet fuel mileage than actual. until diesel is twice as expensive you still come out way better getting the diesel truck again. even on my own personal diesel pickup truck I get almost double the mileage once a trailer is added as I would with a gas truck. I HIGHLY RECOMMEND THE DIESEL, the one diesel model npr I did drive also had the longest lasting motor and trans, it may of even had the original trans in it. the only thing good I can say about the NPR's is given the weight they carry, they do handle it very well, I could run down parleys canyon loaded at 80 mph on the governor every day without slowing or lifting. and of course they turn well and are easier to get in tight places. for what its worth thats my experience with about 8-9 different npr's with me driving them personally about 30k miles per year the 3 years I worked for that company. the company was kinda strange in that the owner still made the major purchase decisions but did not consult with the people on the ground or even my manager about what was working or not working for us. there was about 35 employees there and despite the owner working there on most days in his office, if I saw him outside of work at a store or something, he probably would not have knew me, despite me working there 3 years, kinda strange if you ask me.
 

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another thing, I think they call it FRP anyways its the side material with no rivets in it, it looks alot nicer and is way more friendly for putting lettering on the outside of the truck. there is also material that lets light through the roof of the box, which is nice to have.
 

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Jim Martin said:
I have yet to figure out what the difference between the Chevy and the Isuzu is............

The trucks arrive into CA (Long Beach I think) and at that facility they are allocated and then the separate labels, badges grills and emblems are put on at this facility here in North America and then transported to the dealerships.

The are all the same with different labels. It used to be that CA and Canadian had some separate emission system work but I belive now they are all the same.
 

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steve g said:
most people think I am crazy, keep in mind they likely have only driven and owned 1 of these trucks and likely baby it. but the last place I worked before starting my business had a fleet of NPR gas trucks that we used for water damage work. motors were toast at around 100-120k never saw a trans last more than 30k, yeah thats not a misprint 30k miles. the build quailty of the interior is pathetic, get in one grap the lever that adjusts the area the heat and AC is supposed to blow, move it back and forth 10 times. I bet something in the dash will break and cause the lever not to work anymore. I personally ruined at least 3 rear ends because of getting stuck in the snow. the brakes also sucked as the rotors would warp soon after a brake job, so all the trucks had warped rotors, this is even on the heavy duty 1400 models. would I buy one, HELL NO.

the ONE diesel we had would get 16 mpg, the gas trucks all got 7 mpg on a good day, this is carrying a 7ft high box and a typical weight of about 12k. MPG measurement was taken by me HANDCALCULATED, it was not a wish, its not an exaggeration its what the trucks would get. it seems like there is a big difference with internet fuel mileage than actual. until diesel is twice as expensive you still come out way better getting the diesel truck again. even on my own personal diesel pickup truck I get almost double the mileage once a trailer is added as I would with a gas truck. I HIGHLY RECOMMEND THE DIESEL, the one diesel model npr I did drive also had the longest lasting motor and trans, it may of even had the original trans in it. the only thing good I can say about the NPR's is given the weight they carry, they do handle it very well, I could run down parleys canyon loaded at 80 mph on the governor every day without slowing or lifting. and of course they turn well and are easier to get in tight places. for what its worth thats my experience with about 8-9 different npr's with me driving them personally about 30k miles per year the 3 years I worked for that company. the company was kinda strange in that the owner still made the major purchase decisions but did not consult with the people on the ground or even my manager about what was working or not working for us. there was about 35 employees there and despite the owner working there on most days in his office, if I saw him outside of work at a store or something, he probably would not have knew me, despite me working there 3 years, kinda strange if you ask me.


couple things...

how long ago was that ........you know they do get better over time (fix issues)

why then have gmc/isuzu sold so many if they suck???

Could it be user error???

just a few things to think about
 

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you are implying that GM products are all that great. I am not saying that in fact, I have had nothing but problems with most things GM for the last 20+ years. not to say that my ford and chrysler experiences have been flawless, just better than GM. the NPR is a homalagation of GM and isuzu parts. I have been alot more satisfied with toyota and nissan products over the years. do what you want I just wrote what my experience was with more than a few NPR's if you own one I hope it works better for you.
 

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Nice trucks for sure, but the great fuel economy stated on other threads has me baffled.

A 2005 Chevy pick up truck gets 15-16 mpg combined fuel economy depending on engine choice (5.3 liter or 6.0 liter). EMPTY

Why would a loaded cab over with worse aerodynamics get similar or better fuel economy?
The gas trucks are fuel hogs. 6MPG is a reasonable goal.

GM/Isuzus with diesel engines and Japanese transissions had heat related issues, the Chevy automatic not so much. Still good to have a transmission cooler added.

PS: Any box builder will make what you want. I think Mike needs to find a specialist for the look he's going for:
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mine completely loaded with 200 gal of water gets 8.5 on almost every single tank of fuel. I go up and down very steep roads every day. good thing my c4 cost next to nothing to run.
 

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steve g said:
you are implying that GM products are all that great. I am not saying that in fact, I have had nothing but problems with most things GM for the last 20+ years. not to say that my ford and chrysler experiences have been flawless, just better than GM. the NPR is a homalagation of GM and isuzu parts. I have been alot more satisfied with toyota and nissan products over the years. do what you want I just wrote what my experience was with more than a few NPR's if you own one I hope it works better for you.


What i am implying is that your experience with them was from how many years ago?? You dont think they fix things are change things??

Most of my GM experiences have been great...My Ford "experiment" sucked ass, my Dodge 1 was great, had a durango and didnt have any issues that were talked about IE trannys

I question everytime i see a "newer Ford powerstroke" why in gods name people keep buying them when its a well known DOCUMENTED issue with the motors....

As the saying goes.......an opinion is like an asshole....everyone has them and they all stink :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:













cept mine of course shiteatinggrin
 

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is that the 7.3???

I hate fords so i dont keep up on the motor numbers....

the 7.3 was/is their best motor..

the others had oil into the fuel issues along with some other gasket issues
 

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