Powder vs. Liquid Rinse

[Tony Wilson]

Hey Guys,

I am currently using Flex Ice as my main rinser. Love it. In most cases works great. However if I go with a New Butler for my next rig I guess they use full strength liquid in there system? I understand though that you can switch that out for a pre mix jug set up?

Anyway, if I switch back to a liquid ( I actually used to use Liq. slurry and All fiber clean) before I discovered Flex Ice, what are some good options?

Thanks guys, I'm loving all the great advice and info on this Forum.

 

[Mark Saiger]

You can switch out the meter for powder I believe or you just adjust the amount you mix up in the rinse container. Butler can help you better than me on this though. I still use liquid rinses

 

[Scott S.]

Scott Warrington should be asked if there is going to be a liquid version of flex ice.

 

[Tony Wilson]

yes... Yes!

 

[Larry Cobb]

Liquid Rinses are the majority of products on the market.
A good technical paper on effectiveness is in the August issue of the IICRC Journal . . .

The Influence of Buffered Cleaning Agents on the Cleaning of Patterned Wool Carpets, by Ágnes Zsednai, Ph.D.
The author describes testing that was done to assess the pH of buffered and nonbuffered cleaning agents on wool carpet — with and without the use of acid rinsing agents.

My take from the testing was that most rinse agents were not able to reverse the pH rise from alkaline presprays.

This is our All Fiber Rinse formulation :
http://www.cobbcarpet.com/zen/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=65&products_id=1123

 

[ruff]

Isn't Flex Ice, once you've dissolved it in water-a liquid?
Slurry is an alkaline rinse (even the liquid) so it is not comparable to Ice which is acidic.

I assume that "All Fiber Clean" you mean ProChems "All Fiber Deep Clean" which is an acid rinse that's also supposed to have good cleaning ability. Therefore comparable to Ice.

• Which one of them, in your experience, provides better cleaning results?
• Which holds better, as per re-soiling?

If you're concerned about the powder, supposedly damaging the pump or other parts of the machine (supposedly they do in some portables), I never found the powders to cause any issues with any of my truck mount systems.

Shawn Forsythe (is that the right spelling?) and others may be able to shed more light on that issue.

 

[GeneMiller]

Once you buffer something it's very hard to reverse it. The buffering fights to keep there. I wouldn't use a buffered alkaline on a wool.

Gene

 

[Larry Cobb]

This photo from the IICRC Journal article on rinses

shows the effect on Wool dye of leaving the pH too high . . .

 

[Tony Wilson]

Ofer thank you. Yes I wasn't comparing ice with slurry. Just stating that I have tried many different rinses over the years alkaline and acid. Just like pre sprays everyone has their favorite go to rinse. But with the Butler unit it self mixes from a concentrate liquid I believe. Out of convenience I will prolly end up using a liquid alkaline of some sort as my main go to rinse for most synthetic jobs.

 

[Scott S.]

Ofer thank you. Yes I wasn't comparing ice with slurry. Just stating that I have tried many different rinses over the years alkaline and acid. Just like pre sprays everyone has their favorite go to rinse. But with the Butler unit it self mixes from a concentrate liquid I believe. Out of convenience I will prolly end up using a liquid alkaline of some sort as my main go to rinse for most synthetic jobs.

I have 2 tanks setup in the van, 1 is always an acid rinse and the other alkaline or specialty rinse.

I used to use dynaforce but now i run cleanfree almost exclusively.. Brightens up everything, rinses out residues, mixes easily.

 

[Scott S.]

when i get the pro 1200 in ill be picking up more flex ice. I like that stuff.

 

[Mikey P]

When I peskered them to make it I figured I wasn't the only one..

 

[Tony Wilson]

I do enjoy the Flex Ice. But I still use alkaline rinse sometimes when I feel it's needed.