Sapphire Pro 1200 (again)

[hogjowl]

"With the all-new Pro-1200 SE, Sapphire Scientific gives you the performance of Sapphire’s top-selling truckmount in the convenience of a direct-drive system.

The new Pro-1200 SE was reengineered to deliver these breakthrough benefits:

The hottest van-powered direct-drive truckmount combines two engine coolant heat exchangers with Sapphire Scientific’s exclusive fin-tubed coil blower exhaust heat exchanger. This delivers continuous cleaning of 220+ degrees – no need to spend extra money on additional heat options.


Superior, quieter vacuum performance with 408 HeliFlow helical vacuum blower. Vacuum at 13 in. and flows up to 455 CFM."

SERIOUSLY? 13 inches of mercury?

Oh, and it seems they put a U joint on the shaft. Just another thing to fail.

Yeah, I know ... Bruder hates me.

 

[Ralph Pastorelli]

I would rather have a U joint break than a shaft.

 

[Art Kelley]

A u-joint could be replaced very quickly and inexpensively and gives plenty of notice when it is about to fail. I sometimes wonder how much longer my Pro1200 shaft will go as it hums along after 12 years and 10500 hours, but I worry more about my own cardiovascular system after 60 years. Which one will fail first? I hope it's that damn TM.

 

[hogjowl]

My understanding is Butler has a solid shaft?

What about the 13" of lift?

Too low for me.

 

[Art Kelley]

My understanding is Butler has a solid shaft?

What about the 13" of lift?

Too low for me.

I don't know nothin about no u-joint so I can't say what Sapphire is doing there, but I run mine at 15" and used to run it at 17" without a hickup (but the gas consumption was bothering me). I tried to run it at 20" and 2000 rpms but the belts started to make funny noises after an hour or so and the blower made wacky boggy weirdass sounds so I said turned it down to 15". The system can easily handle 15"of lift as the shaft is more robust than the one on a Butler.

 

[hogjowl]

We're talking about the "new" 1200 Art. Not yours.

 

[Jim Martin]

I would rather have a U joint break than a shaft.

shaft....U-joint.....it does not matter...when you have a load on that thing and it lets go...all living hell is going to break loose and you had better bet your not near it.....

 

[Mikey P]

lol..


Marty I'll bet you $62K that if you stuck your solid shaft in a 2" hose 100 feet from a 1200 set at 13" and then put what was left of said shaft into a hose set at 14"...you'd never be able to tell the difference.


"13" is too low for me"....dude...you need to stay off the porty forum.

 

[Art Kelley]

We're talking about the "new" 1200 Art. Not yours.

Well, it's the same WM design unless they cheaped out on the drive shaft construction. Which I doubt. But I'll ask Tom at Modernistic. They sell them like donuts and run three dozen of them in their fleet of cleaning vans.

 

[hogjowl]

13 inches of lift is too low.
No matter which board your on.

But, that "porty board" comment was your straw man, wasn't it?

 

[Russ T.]

....then Butler it is?????

Or the Cleanco installed by TCS, my 47 is set at 14 just like the manual says.

I couldn't expect more out of that workhorse. I will consider another when it's time.

...or Butler
...or Sapphire

If you like the Sapphire, crank that sucker up to 14 or 15 and enjoy your purchase!

 

[kingjoelking]

All of Saphires units are now suggested to be set at 13HG From the Rage to the 870. To my understanding they can all run up to 16 HG.

 

[Jim Martin]

If it is made right..13 is all you need.......

That's all I run on mine and they do a great job.....

 

[hogjowl]

The only problem I have with Cleanco is TCS tells me not to expect any heat at 12 flow. Other than that, they're cool, and at 1 or 2 on my list.

Of course, only Butler can be confirmed to deliver heat at 12 flow, according to Saiger.

 

[Mikey P]

I really can't wait until you buy your next TCS Chief and leave us all alone.

 

[hogjowl]

16"

 

[FredC]

16"

http://www.tcsatl.com/chief2.html
Sutorbilt™ 4L DSL @ 495 CFM vac blower

 

[FredC]

14"

 

[Lee Stockwell]

Every guy claims at least an inch more than delivered.

 

[hogjowl]

That's a Cheif II, Fred.

Mikey mentioned the Cheif. It has a 45 blower.

It's good to see you know how to find www.truckmounts.com though.

 

[hogjowl]

Every guy claims at least an inch more than delivered.

My Cheif II was set at 14" the day it drove off the lot. It's still there today.

 

[Mark Saiger]

My Butlers are at 15"

If it matters

 

[hogjowl]

Yes, the lift is good on a Butler, and you say the heat is good (Draper says you're full of it). But, the space sucks.

Big problem, and growing worse the more diversified this industry becomes.

 

[FredC]

That's a Cheif II, Fred.

Mikey mentioned the Cheif. It has a 45 blower.

It's good to see you know how to find www.truckmounts.com though.

Yes....I know exactly where not to go if I ever need anything.

overcharge me for some powermax...assholes

and I figured you would upgrade

Edit:

and the Chief is a 4m............@15"

still not 16

 

[Ray Burnfield]

We can crank the valve down to get to 16hg.
But why? To make the wand harder to pull? Better for your body?
How much suction do you need.

 

[ruff]

It's never been about how much they need, Ray.

It's about:

 

[dealtimeman]

Marty I agree the 13 seems low but running the truck I will say it

14"

and that 14" hg needs 20 brake horse power and the pump needs a cool 4-5 brake horse power at high-pressure cleaning.

so the question is - does that truckmount run a 29 horse power motor at 80 something percent load? i say 80 something as the is a small percentage of loss though transfer of power.

you should be dropping engines every 1500-2500 hours or less at that strain on the motor.

so i don't see why you think 13" is low, more like 13" is good and very safe to ensure long mechanical life and maintenance intervals.

you need to run this thing and try it as it may have the same 570 frame and other goodies but it has way more power being trasnfered to the blower and pump. also there is something special going on with how close the blower is to the waste tank and how it is connected.

you just have to feel it. i was initially impressed would love to actually use one on some jobs.

 

[dealtimeman]

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My Butlers are at 15"

If it matters

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uh huh!!! your panel is dirty!!!

 

[Mark Saiger]

uh huh!!! your panel is dirty!!!

I know....

It's embarrassing

 

[Russ T.]

Tighten it up Mark.....

It's inexcusable.