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[SamIam]

I think upholstery tools are around 2 flow maybe the ss tools flow more, I doubt it, 6 flow at 400 psi I usually run my 6 flow at 600 psi same with my 12 flow wand. Some times its a good thing

 

[mwall2230]

So what did they maintain with a 12 flow zipper that you were going to test with?

 

[Mikey P]

Everest 12 flow 210
6 Flow 225

Butler 12 flow 185
6 flow 200

El Diablo 12 flow 210 fuel fired
6 flow 240

Cleanco 12 flow 175
6 flow 190

Sapphire Scientific
370 12 flow 120
6 flow- not tested

570 12 flow 185
6 flow 210

1200 SE 12 flow 180
6 flow 200

870 12 flow 225
6 flow 230

Aero tech
12 flow 250
6 flow 248


Hydra Master 575
12 flow 195
6 flow 170

Hydra Master direct drive 220 12 flow with their gauge
12 flow 175
6 flow 180

Hydrmaster 423
12 flow 150
6 flow 185

 

[Mikey P]

All machines were tested with both wands wide open until tenps were settled.

400psi

103ish outside temps.

 

[mwall2230]

Thanks Mike, what did the 570 do with 12 flow?

 

[ronbeatty]

Looks like Vlad and Jeremy blew the BLUE's away

 

[Mikey P]

185

 

[dgardner]

The Hydramaster 575 was hotter with 12 flow than with 6?

370 12 flow was 120°? Not a good high flow machine apparently....

 

[dgardner]

All machines were tested with both wands wide open until tenps were settled.
400psi
103ish outside temps.

Did you guys measure the fresh water temperature in each tank and make sure all machines were similar by any chance?

 

[JS41035]

It's cool that you did this testing.
It's very interesting to know.
But at the same time I sure hope people understand how non typical that scenario is in real world carpet cleaning. No drying strokes. No stopping. How often do you actually run like that?
Only fuel fired systems are designed to be triggered constantly. Most TM manufacturers build there HX for short cycles of triggering the wand. Because that's what 99% of cleaners are doing.
And as far as the Aerotech ( which I absolutely love) it should be an eye opener to the benefit of preheated fresh water. That is the main reason for the high sustained temp IMO.
I would compare it to a world class marathon runner. If they get off pace and go to fast they can never catch their breath. They end up finishing way behind.

 

[Mikey P]

All the trucks were very warmed up.

Fresh tank temps, if they had them were ignored.

Justin is correct but unless we had a robotic set up to squeeze on a programmed sequence....

 

[Louis]

To bad TCS didn't come to this. Curious what a little giant #4 would so with #12 flow.

 

[Nate The Great]

To bad TCS didn't come to this. Curious what a little giant #4 would so with #12 flow.

Little Giant #4 heater.. 15 flow Zipper...

(And it doesn't clean any better above 240° but I wanted to peg my gauge...)

 

[dgardner]

Little Giant #4 heater.. 15 flow Zipper...

Nate, is that with wand continuously keyed after the temp settles out (worst case) like the testing mentioned above?

 

[Nate The Great]

Nate, is that with wand continuously keyed after the temp settles out (worst case) like the testing mentioned above?

No, I just hold the trigger and go... I'll do a whole room before letting off.. About 150'-175' out on the solution line.. I get the water to Atleast 180° before the wand starts moving..

 

[FB7777]

Thats a cool benchmark test, but......

Was any load placed on the blower?

Most of those machines have blower exhaust heat exchangers and would benefit from the blower heating up under load

Those Butler heat numbers look pretty low compared to my real world observations and informal temps , even in much colder temps

 

[Mikey P]

Yes, all machines under full load, meaning wand on the carpet..

A benchmark is exactly what we were creating..

 

[mwall2230]

Thanks for doing this, I believe those numbers.

 

[Desk Jockey]

Thats a cool benchmark test, but......

Was any load placed on the blower?

Most of those machines have blower exhaust heat exchangers and would benefit from the blower heating up under load

Those Butler heat numbers look pretty low compared to my real world observations and informal temps , even in much colder temps

I agree those sound awful low.

 

[hogjowl]

Oh quit bitching. The numbers are what they are.

I can live with 195 at the wand.

 

[Desk Jockey]

Hey Porkchop where have you been?

Please go back there!

 

[Russ T.]

Oh quit bitching. The numbers are what they are.

I can live with 195 at the wand.

Which unit are you referencing Marty?

I agree...195 at the wand is plenty!

 

[hogjowl]

There were two that got that measurement.

 

[Desk Jockey]

Its rare you will need more than that. I if you do, just go to your "cleaning pie" and adjust your chemical, dwell time or agitation.

You fookers make simple things soo difficult.

Who dresses you guys in the morning?

 

[Russ T.]

There were two that got that measurement.

Call me what you want to but I still don't know what machines you're talking about...

12 flow?

 

[Russ T.]

Everest 12 flow 210
6 Flow 225

Butler 12 flow 185
6 flow 200

El Diablo 12 flow 210 fuel fired
6 flow 240

Cleanco 12 flow 175
6 flow 190

Sapphire Scientific
370 12 flow 120
6 flow- not tested

570 12 flow 185
6 flow 210

1200 SE 12 flow 180
6 flow 200

870 12 flow 225
6 flow 230

Aero tech
12 flow 250
6 flow 248


Hydra Master 575
12 flow 195
6 flow 170

Hydra Master direct drive 220 12 flow with their gauge
12 flow 175
6 flow 180

Hydrmaster 423
12 flow 150
6 flow 185

Hydramaster 575 Marty?

 

[hogjowl]

I've been talking about a new TM for years. I assumed that 12 flow was a must, but after talking to others who have been at 12 flow and gone back to 6, I'm not so sure anymore. These aren't TEEMF posters either. They are recognized names here. I guess they aren't willing to post about the change because they are afraid a the pack mentality here.

 

[Mikey P]

Stan W put a 1./5 inch pmf Titanium wand with a 8 ft whip ( attached to a TM) in my hands and jokingly said " Here is the future"..

Myself and a dozen other very experienced cleaners were all very impressed with it's preformance.

Plenty if every thing to get the job done.

For that matter the Vacuum on the Dwell Pros at the show really impressed the crowd as well..

Plenty to clean a carpet within 50 (of two inch hose)

Im guessing Marty got the Cleanco. It too really impressed the crowd. Many were trying it for the first time..

 

[Mark Saiger]

Just to share for sharing sake

We used the same gauge.... and all gauges and meters can vary even in our water damage, and other parts of ours and other industries.

One manufacturer had a gauge they hooked up that showed a 45 degree higher temp on their unit.

Time constraints, we did not run around and test all units with that gauge too.... So, a person could feel good if you add 45 more degrees to all truckmounts, or just our favorite

I do plan to test more when I get home to see if I can dial my TM in more and have a better understanding of where it runs better in certain conditions... Which we tried to ask each TM manufacturer or rep on site what would work for them to get their best numbers.

All units performed very well and deciding on a truckmount has different needs for everyone...

I wouldn't feel afraid to purchase any of them if really needed a cleaning unit.

It was really fun having the opportunity to run and play with all that were there. Such a great moment.

Thank you to all the disturbors, and vendors at the show.

This is lot of work for them to put on this event...

Made my year

 

[mwall2230]

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Just to share for sharing sake

We used the same gauge.... and all gauges and meters can vary even in our water damage, and other parts of ours and other industries.

One manufacturer had a gauge they hooked up that showed a 45 degree higher temp on their unit.

Time constraints, we did not run around and test all units with that gauge too.... So, a person could feel good if you add 45 more degrees to all truckmounts, or just our favorite

I do plan to test more when I get home to see if I can dial my TM in more and have a better understanding of where it runs better in certain conditions... Which we tried to ask each TM manufacturer or rep on site what would work for them to get their best numbers.

All units performed very well and deciding on a truckmount has different needs for everyone...

I wouldn't feel afraid to purchase any of them if really needed a cleaning unit.

It was really fun having the opportunity to run and play with all that were there. Such a great moment.

Thank you to all the disturbors, and vendors at the show.

This is lot of work for them to put on this event...

Made my year

I completely believe those numbers are the real numbers with a 12 flow wand. The truck mount manufacturer that had a gauge 45° more, I think that's crazy to mislead people like that. I hope it wasn't on purpose to make them look better. I have a 12 flow wand with temperature gauge atw and I've used it with a cds with salsa, pro 1200 and my 870 and those are the same numbers I had.