The white magic 1200 direct drive. Spill The beans! What do you know about it?

[BIG WOOD]

As I'm surfing the web, I'm seeing several of these for sale, with a decent (not too high, not too low) amount of hours on it, which tells me that they were ok for the current owners.

I'm seeing two different models: One with a 45 blower and one with, I think, a 56blower. If I find a killer deal on one, which is the best? Or should I just pass on all of them?

I'm looking for another unit if I need another tm for apartments and big jobs only for the technician to operate, that is in my price range of I don't know yet, so don't bring that up.

 

[Andy]

White Magic was bought by Sapphire. The Sapphire 1200 is the equivelant. The Sapphire 1200SE (Sapphire Engineered)has been tweeked by Sapphire.

 

[BIG WOOD]

I remember when sapphire slapped their logo on the original WM 1200 design.

I’m just wondering how good that model is.

 

[Desk Jockey]

White Magic made a very good unit. They went out of business due to an employee embezzling.

 

[Lee Stockwell]

Sapphire bought rights to that machine, not the company.

I have the pro 2000 (2 45's)

 

[BIG WOOD]

Sapphire bought rights to that machine, not the company.

I have the pro 2000 (2 45's)

Two blowers on one tm?

 

[Lee Stockwell]

Two blowers on one tm?

Yep, works great. 2 waste tanks as well.

 

[Jimmy L]

I heard rumors about that sapphire 1200 having issues and they put on a bigger clutch to handle that 56.

All hush hush I heard.

 

[Mikey P]

The new SS has a 4.8

 

[Lee Stockwell]

I'd like to go from a 6-rib to an 8-rib serpentine drive, and add a larger clutch.

Then switch the 45's for 47's.

 

[Jimmy L]

I agree Lee!

 

[Shane T]

I'd like to go from a 6-rib to an 8-rib serpentine drive, and add a larger clutch.

Then switch the 45's for 47's.

Would you have change the plumbing all the way through?

 

[Lee Stockwell]

Would you have change the plumbing all the way through?

No

 

[Shane T]

Just wondering how much difference there will be if you don't enlarge the plumbing to match the larger blower.

 

[Jimmy L]

Enlarge the plumbing?

 

[Shane T]

The 47 has 3" inlet and outlet, the 45 is 2.5". If the plumbing between the tank and blower and the out the silencer is only 2.5" seems to me your choking the larger blower.

 

[steve_64]

I love mine! I have the 56 it's old wore out and I still love it. I like the layout better than my butler too.

I wouldn't hesitate to get another. It took awhile to get all the leaks and stuff fixed it's an ongoing issue due to age and hours but it's a great machine. Wish I could buy a new one and add a couple tweaks. I'm going to be tweaking the butler too.

 

[Lee Stockwell]

The 47 has 3" inlet and outlet, the 45 is 2.5". If the plumbing between the tank and blower and the out the silencer is only 2.5" seems to me your choking the larger blower.

Mine has 3" except for the silencers. I would use that bit of backpressure for an extra preheater, similar to their "Vulcan" idea.

 

[steve_64]

Mine has 3" except for the silencers. I would use that bit of backpressure for an extra preheater, similar to their "Vulcan" idea.

To the waste tank from the blower mine is 4 inch I think. Then 3 to the filter then 2 to the connect.
Exit is 2.5 I believe but not positive. It may be 3.

 

[Hack Attack]

Sapphire bought rights to that machine, not the company.

I have the pro 2000 (2 45's)

sounds like an interesting machine, the only info I could find said that both the engine and blowers are derated.

I wonder could you spin the engine more for extra heat and get the same vac out of 2 45's as 2 derated 47's?

 

[Lee Stockwell]

5.7 litre Chevy V8, not derated.

 

[JS41035]

I’m gonna quote myself
“ leave it bone stock and it will have all the heat and vac you will ever need”

 

[JS41035]

As I'm surfing the web, I'm seeing several of these for sale, with a decent (not too high, not too low) amount of hours on it, which tells me that they were ok for the current owners.

I'm seeing two different models: One with a 45 blower and one with, I think, a 56blower. If I find a killer deal on one, which is the best? Or should I just pass on all of them?

I'm looking for another unit if I need another tm for apartments and big jobs only for the technician to operate, that is in my price range of I don't know yet, so don't bring that up.

All the late model (2004 -2010 ) that I have seen have 56 blowers. The 1200 HV is pretty cool. Most have the Vulcan post HX also ( think Butler Max heat and Max vac). The resale plummeted when WM tanked. Or at least I assume it did based on how cheap some sold back in 2014-2016. So you can still find some slamming deals on relatively low hour units.

 

[Dolly Llama]

5.7 litre Chevy V8, not derated.

help me with that one, Lee

It's not the engine ..they're massively OVER powered
It's cutch/belts/driveline where problems manifest, right???


AND...what ya'll talking about "derated"???
What's that mean??


thanks

..L.T.A.

 

[Hack Attack]

I was going off lil blurb at bottom but its not the most detailed specs, I'm now assuming its still direct drive not slide in?

 

[Chris A]

I bought a used 2003 four years ago and had it about a year as a backup, half second truck. It had the 56 and Vulcan. I sold it when I bought a new truck 2 years ago and the current owner is still using it daily

 

[bob vawter]

To the waste tank from the blower mine is 4 inch I think. Then 3 to the filter then 2 to the connect.
Exit is 2.5 I believe but not positive. It may be 3.

2 7/8 OD

 

[Jimmy L]

On that 2000 can you run both blowers at the same time and have them connected ? As in waste tank connected to run in series?

 

[Lee Stockwell]

On that 2000 can you run both blowers at the same time and have them connected ? As in waste tank connected to run in series?

They both run in parallel.

 

[Jimmy L]

I'm sure the design was designed to run two wands. Is there more stress on the drive chain running two blowers?
And what kind and size serpentine/single clutch?

What is the lift set at?