John Olson
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Here is the wind speed of the Triad
Here is the wind speed of the X3 on High (4 amps)
Here is the wind speed of the X3 on High (4 amps)
Triad and X3 Wind Speed. This was eye opening!
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Desk Jockey
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John
That is surprising, because the Triad is so quite I would assume it isn't putting out as much air as a standard airmover.
That is surprising, because the Triad is so quite I would assume it isn't putting out as much air as a standard airmover.
John Olson
Member
That is what me and Lora thought this morning when ran this test. It is so quite it is deceiving.
What I did notice is the X3 runs 2 degrees hotter though. I checked them both like 6 times back and forth to make sure i was getting the same number each time.
What I did notice is the X3 runs 2 degrees hotter though. I checked them both like 6 times back and forth to make sure i was getting the same number each time.
billyeadon
Supportive Member
One of the things that we are doing at Jon Don these days is a lot more testing of equipment and chemicals. Not saying that manufacturers are telling untruths but we are just trying to corrleate the numbers we are given.
Todays meters are very accurate and can give you a lot of great data. Now you just have to figure which data are valid. Wind speed is a BS number that means nothing by itself. You could reduce the opening to a 3 inch circle and get the same velocity (wind) speed but have a massive drop in CFM. You need to look at the opening plus the velocity to compute the CFM. Our testing places the Triad at best 810 CFM verses the Typhoon at 1066 CFM. At 5, 10 and 15 feet from the fan at surface level the Typhoon is almost twice the CFM of the Triad.
Then there is the Amps. So even if you looked at their amps, our testing shows Triad at 1.6 amp unobstructed and the Typhoon at 3.1 Amps you would still need two Triads (3.2 amps) to be comparable to one Typhoon running at 3.1. amps. So you are using the same amount of energy. I will say that the Triad did have higher static pressure 1.6 versus the Typhoon at 1.1 but with the drop in CFM I personally do not see the value. I could test a bicycle pump and show outstanding static pressure but if the CFM is reduced what values does the static pressure play?
Ultimately this testing creates better products for our endusers.
Todays meters are very accurate and can give you a lot of great data. Now you just have to figure which data are valid. Wind speed is a BS number that means nothing by itself. You could reduce the opening to a 3 inch circle and get the same velocity (wind) speed but have a massive drop in CFM. You need to look at the opening plus the velocity to compute the CFM. Our testing places the Triad at best 810 CFM verses the Typhoon at 1066 CFM. At 5, 10 and 15 feet from the fan at surface level the Typhoon is almost twice the CFM of the Triad.
Then there is the Amps. So even if you looked at their amps, our testing shows Triad at 1.6 amp unobstructed and the Typhoon at 3.1 Amps you would still need two Triads (3.2 amps) to be comparable to one Typhoon running at 3.1. amps. So you are using the same amount of energy. I will say that the Triad did have higher static pressure 1.6 versus the Typhoon at 1.1 but with the drop in CFM I personally do not see the value. I could test a bicycle pump and show outstanding static pressure but if the CFM is reduced what values does the static pressure play?
Ultimately this testing creates better products for our endusers.
Lee Stockwell
FOJL
Good testing John, that's more credible than some other methods.
Now, calculate cfm by multiplying opening size by velocity.
It will always be lower than the mfg rating.
Now, calculate cfm by multiplying opening size by velocity.
It will always be lower than the mfg rating.
dgardner
Moderator
John, the air balance people know that velocity is not consistent across the face of the opening, so when they are measuring CFM they take several readings (called a 'traverse') and average the readings together.
It would be interesting to see a traverse of 5 or so points across the face of each fan to get an accurate picture of true airflow.
It would be interesting to see a traverse of 5 or so points across the face of each fan to get an accurate picture of true airflow.
Desk Jockey
Member
:shock:
steve g
Member
Doc Holliday said:
yeah but the typhoon is a dry air fan, not a very durable unit IMO, measuring CFM away from the unit opens up all sorts of variables. this could be effected greatly by the pattern of the air flow coming out of the snout, the shape and angle of the snout etc. I have always thought a unit that is moving the air at greater speed has an advantage, because this is also grabbing and moving air that is around the air column being forced out of the air mover. like I said if prochem put in a high low motor one with the current setting as low and the high at 3 amp, they would have the field covered.
Desk Jockey
Member
Isn't the Sahara around 1150 CFM's?
John Olson
Member
I was only answering what someone asked a couple days ago not trying be a scientist 
Billy says some interesting things but what I am trying to figure out is how 1066 is TWICE 810 hmmm Billy what new math are you using
Billy says some interesting things but what I am trying to figure out is how 1066 is TWICE 810 hmmm Billy what new math are you using 
Shawn Forsythe
RIP
dgardner said:
A very important point that can't be overlooked. The Triad design is especially prone to varied velocity across the opening. Good post, Dan.
Desk Jockey
Member
So he didn't get the brains, at least he got the looks.....well... 
adamh
Supportive Member
We all know the " wind in your face" method is the only true test of air flow. All the other methods are just smoke and mirrors. 
John LaBarbera
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John Olson" data-source="" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch">John Olson said:Here is the wind speed of the Triad
Here is the wind speed of the X3 on High (4 amps)
John,
Can you measure the CFM (volume) and air pressure, also. Those two will really tell the tail.
John Olson
Member
Thats beyond what I am capable of doing. I only have my little wind speed indicator. I am about to post pictures of readings across the face of each and at 3'. Interesting stuff.
John Olson
Member
Shawn Forsythe said:
Your right but as the pictures I am about to post show so is the X3 and I am sure any airmover with a grill will have the same.
John LaBarbera
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John Olson" data-source="" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch">John Olson said:
Thanks, John.
Wind speed can be misleading since it's only the product of the rpm's of the motor. It could be like the equivalent of a high pressure pump but very very low flow.
Desk Jockey
Member
Take easy on him JB, I'd have done the same thing had I owned a meter.
Desk Jockey
Member
Lee Stockwell
FOJL
CFM is a measure of "speed" and not volume. "Cubic feet" is a volume number that is measured "per minute".
There is a direct correlation to John's measurement of linear feet per minute and cfm. Static pressure, amp draw, and other conditions would have to be held equal.
There is a direct correlation to John's measurement of linear feet per minute and cfm. Static pressure, amp draw, and other conditions would have to be held equal.
John LaBarbera
Member
Doc Holliday said:
Doctor, Doctor, Mr.MD, I thinks 1150 is RPMs. 6 pole motors. probably about 2500 CFM rated if a 10" fan
Desk Jockey
Member
LOL
John Olson
Member
No JB I haven't. You see people asked me these questions and I am posting the results. You have two people that make Airmovers giving their opinion and thats wonderful. Opps I missed read that sorry Billy
Anyway here are the pictures that where requested
Trial middle,middle,right and 3' up
X3 Middle,right 3' up (remeber this is on high 4 amps)
Anyway here are the pictures that where requested
Trial middle,middle,right and 3' up
X3 Middle,right 3' up (remeber this is on high 4 amps)
John Olson
Member
Should I go pull out the mytee and the Viking and do the same? Heck I don't have anything better to do like shipping.... :mrgreen:
Desk Jockey
Member
How about you show us how good that ax works opening up a box of chems! :wink:
John Olson
Member
I would but it hasn't even shipped yet I keep waiting for the shipping email. I will post some pictures of Me and Mike Draper shooting this tomorrow though :mrgreen:
http://www.deserttacticalarms.com/
I keep waiting for the shipping email. I will post some pictures of Me and Mike Draper shooting this tomorrow though :mrgreen:
http://www.deserttacticalarms.com/
Jim Martin
Supportive Member
on the 18 and the 14.9............how far away were you.....
tell me the air drop in feet between the 2...................
tell me the air drop in feet between the 2...................
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FB7777
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maybe I view air movers differently, but the Triad has to have the ability to float a carpet comparably to a Sahara or it ain't worth the space in my van.
The wind in my face Nashville test I performed was enough to tell me that it was under powered compared to what is presently offered in the centrifugal market.
If I just want low amp draw and high cfm , I'll set up axials which will blow doors on any centrifugal
The wind in my face Nashville test I performed was enough to tell me that it was under powered compared to what is presently offered in the centrifugal market.
If I just want low amp draw and high cfm , I'll set up axials which will blow doors on any centrifugal
