Truck mount swap

[Sharpsalem]

Nice to join this forum. I was hoping to get some help transferring my butler unit to another van my van is a 1984 and want to transfer to a 1990. The only place I’m getting stumped is the pto in front and going from a 4 barrel carburetor to a 2 barrel electric fuel injector int the carburetor. Anyone have experience with this? Will butler sell me the parts to do the switch or do I have to come up with the brackets and the advanced system for rpm ? Thanks in advance! Jon

 

[Lee Stockwell]

Butler could, but they won't. Hopefully someone will have parts you need, give it a few days.

 

[Sharpsalem]

Butler could, but they won't. Hopefully someone will have parts you need, give it a few days.

Thanks Lee..

 

[hogjowl]

Look up Chip Garber on FB

 

[FB7777]

swap a 1984 to a 1990 van?

seems like a lot of work for what amounts to a virtually lateral move

 

[Sharpsalem]

swap a 1984 to a 1990 van?

seems like a lot of work for what amounts to a virtually lateral move

Not if you saw the shape the 84 is in. The 90 is solid

 

[Sharpsalem]

Not if you saw the shape the 84 is in. The 90 is solid

If I can transfer the pto from the 84 to a much newer model it might be an option. I don’t think the brackets and vacuum advance on the 84 will switch over? Or if I can purchase the brackets and computer for the advance for a fuel injection? Not sure ?

 

[FB7777]

Still a 32 year old van at the end of the day

you have quite an uphill struggle ahead of you

like Marty suggested, seek out Chip Garber on FB

 

[Rob Grady]

I agree with everything Marty AND Radar. Go to someone with years of experience.

 

[Sharpsalem]

Still a 32 year old van at the end of the day

you have quite an uphill struggle ahead of you

like Marty suggested, seek out Chip Garber on FB

Ok thanks Radar . Took me 3 hrs to strip down a van . I’m pretty capable. I’ve rebuilt cat pump replaced blowers engines and transmissions . Just looking for some input on the front . I’ve replaced clutches and pulled out pto . Im really wondering why butler still has 2 v belts independent of the serpentine belt? I would think the clutch could run off the main serpentine belt with the rest of the motor ? It is a electromagnetic clutch ? Then I have the throttle advance to deal with. I did find chip on fb I’ll see if he responds.

 

[Cleanworks]

Ok thanks Radar . Took me 3 hrs to strip down a van . I’m pretty capable. I’ve rebuilt cat pump replaced blowers engines and transmissions . Just looking for some input on the front . I’ve replaced clutches and pulled out pto . Im really wondering why butler still has 2 v belts independent of the serpentine belt? I would think the clutch could run off the main serpentine belt with the rest of the motor ? It is a electromagnetic clutch ? Then I have the throttle advance to deal with. I did find chip on fb I’ll see if he responds.

I've never seen the front of a Butler but if it uses independent belts to drive the clutch that's a lot better than using the serpentine belt. Cleanco and CDS units use the serpentine belt and that's a weak link. One long belt will wear and slip faster than 2 shorter ones. You can set your vacuum relief higher without worrying about burning out your belts.

 

[Lee Stockwell]

At least until recently Butler used a matched set of v belts driven independently from the factory accessory serpentine belt.

White Magic used a separate serpentine belt.

 

[Sharpsalem]

At least until recently Butler used a matched set of v belts driven independently from the factory accessory serpentine belt.

White Magic used a separate serpentine belt.

Yes not a major road block . I was wondering if it could just be run off one serpentine belt everything lined up on one belt . Would make life easier.

 

[bob vawter]

Steam Genie uses only one serpentine....easy peesy!

 

[Lee Stockwell]

Steam Genie uses only one serpentine....easy peesy!

The SAME as the accessories? That also has its drawbacks. More load on the factory crank pulley, which has caused failures. Also if that one belt breaks the vehicle is immobilized. Too, it requires a very long belt which stretches out of spec faster.

 

[FB7777]

You need to go to Butler to witness the installation


this isn’t just mounting and aligning a shaft…


maybe Chip can install it for you but good luck getting all the correct parts on your own

you are biting off way more than you believe you can handle

 

[Sharpsalem]

The SAME as the accessories? That also has its drawbacks. More load on the factory crank pulley, which has caused failures. Also if that one belt breaks the vehicle is immobilized. Too, it requires a very long belt which stretches out of spec faster.

That makes sense!

 

[Sharpsalem]

You need to go to Butler to witness the installation


this isn’t just mounting and aligning a shaft…


maybe Chip can install it for you but good luck getting all the correct parts on your own

you are biting off way more than you believe you can handle

I always like a challenge!

 

[Sharpsalem]

You need to go to Butler to witness the installation


this isn’t just mounting and aligning a shaft…


maybe Chip can install it for you but good luck getting all the correct parts on your own

you are biting off way more than you believe you can handle

I also can use my old brackets and just go to a intake manifold that hold a carburetor. So I have options

 

[FB7777]

I also can use my old brackets and just go to a intake manifold that hold a carburetor. So I have options

You know far more than I when it comes to mechanics my friend!

I’d hate to see you embark on a project only to discover it to be a fools errand

please call Butler and Chip Garber

 

[bob vawter]

5 in longer Lee...
In all my TM experience I've never
Had a belt snap...

 

[Desk Jockey]

I also can use my old brackets and just go to a intake manifold that hold a carburetor. So I have options

You do sound knowledgeable. The trap that can happen because you have skills, is getting caught up in working and building units. When that time could be better used towards building your business.

Now if you have the time but not the work then, sure continue your search. The caution I would say is that Butler has never been helpful in doing swaps. They would prefer they do it, so parts are going to come from wrecked or parted out units. Or you're going to have to fabricate them yourself.

Good luck which ever way you decide!

 

[hogjowl]

You do sound knowledgeable. The trap that can happen because you have skills, is getting caught up in working and building units. When that time could be better used towards building your

This should go in the MB Hall Of Fame

 

[Doug Rice]

At least you had some response on here

 

[Lee Stockwell]

One critical flaw many have encountered is the front crank pulley. The margin for error is near zero, and if you miss, the rotating imbalance is destructive. Saiger had issues moving identical from one truck to another. A sensitive runout rolling dial gauge and some skill are required.

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[FB7777]

“Swapping” is a profound underestimation of this endeavor

 

[Sharpsalem]

“Swapping” is a profound underestimation of this endeavor

For you

 

[Sharpsalem]

You do sound knowledgeable. The trap that can happen because you have skills, is getting caught up in working and building units. When that time could be better used towards building your business.

Now if you have the time but not the work then, sure continue your search. The caution I would say is that Butler has never been helpful in doing swaps. They would prefer they do it, so parts are going to come from wrecked or parted out units. Or you're going to have to fabricate them yourself.

Good luck which ever way you decide!

Thank Desk Jokey . I will try to order parts from butler. They have sent me parts to my old unit in the past. So I don’t need there knowledge just parts. And yes I do have time to do this and your right about spending to much time working on the equipment when I could be working on building the financial aspect of the business. When all is said and done I will hopefully end up with an extra truck since I got the guts out of another butler. Everything but the pump which I will upgrade to 3500 psi for my power washing accounts. I paid 500 for the used butler unit . So I’m in good shape..

 

[bob vawter]

Thank Desk Jokey . I will try to order parts from butler. They have sent me parts to my old unit in the past. So I don’t need there knowledge just parts. And yes I do have time to do this and your right about spending to much time working on the equipment when I could be working on building the financial aspect of the business. When all is said and done I will hopefully end up with an extra truck since I got the guts out of another butler. Everything but the pump which I will upgrade to 3500 psi for my power washing accounts. I paid 500 for the used butler unit . So I’m in good shape..

Jokey.....lololol

 

[FB7777]

For you

Cause I’m rich, successful and couldn’t be bothered messing with 35 year old garbage

Enjoy your wasted effort