ultimate encap machine

[Cleanworks]

After cleaning 16 hallways with a portable yesterday, I thought i'd try my new brush pro on the remainder today. I used Procyon Extreme as my encap prespray and I have to say it did an incredible job in half the time. The only thing that bugs me is that eventually, the machine picks up so much lint and dirt, it starts spitting out debris. I have the 17 inch brush pro and a rotowash multi-plo (which has a small waste tank) and they both do the same thing. It would be nice to have a built in vac system to recover that nasty looking debris. Kind of like a Chemstractor but with cylindrical brushes. After I cleaned the hallways, I had to go back and vacuum them again. It's not so much fun to prevac, clean and then have to post vac

 

[Tom Forsythe]

When I used in my own house I had that same issue. However, once I left the recovery trays on during the process, most of the lint kicked into the trays.

 

[encapman]

What Tom said.

It's not a perfect solution, but it helps.

 

[Cleanworks]

The problem is with the recovery trays on, you can't clean right up to the wall or door lintel, etc

 

[encapman]

This is true.

Some guys will leave on just the rear tray. That way it captures some of the crud. But you can still run the nose of the machine up to the edges.

 

[Old Coastie]

DP-420 Hydrawasher. Sprinkles, scrubs, recovers. Not taking from the excellent BrushPro line, but it gets up to and next to.

 

[Cleanworks]

I used one a few years ago and it does the same thing. As the brushes dig out more soil and lint, it doesn't transfer everything to the belt and eventually it will spit out debris. Better than most but a lot more pricey.

 

[Old Coastie]

Yep. It spits a wad here and there. I just toss 'em into the hopper and boogey on. What you dump out is pure, concentrated evil.

 

[ruff]

After cleaning 16 hallways with a portable yesterday, I thought i'd try my new brush pro on the remainder today. I used Procyon Extreme as my encap prespray and I have to say it did an incredible job in half the time...................

These days, everything is "encap."

According to the myth, encap products contain a polymer that hardens and encapsulates the remaining soil.....yada, yada, etc. etc.
Procyon Extreme carries the "Green Seal" certificate that I very much doubt will be given to a product that has the polymer. Therefore unless there's a new (and exciting encapping myth,) it is not an encap product.

Don't get me wrong, I am sure it works great.....(I've tried the Plus powder and some other detergents and they all did great) which brings us back to the encapping myth.
Maybe any good non-residual detergent or pre-spray (one that does not leave soil attracting residue) will work just fine.

 

[Cleanworks]

You are probably right. I have used some encap specific products and the Procyon Extreme. I find the Extreme seems to work better on the type of soils and stains that I commonly find in residential hallways. Today, we took out several coffee stains, lot's of garbage bag drips, muddy dog paws and several greasy traffic areas right in front of peoples doors. It probably doesn't encap quite the same way as a product with the polymers. I will have to try a few more, like Releas-it. I am going back to this building next Tuesday to do some upholstery cleaning. It will give me a chance to inspect the work and see how it stands up to the hwe on the first half.

 

[Barry-QDCC]

I got my CRB a few months back with the group buy. I used the renovator trays at one job. Since then I have kept them off. When the crap starts to spit out I turn it on it's side, wipe the crap off that bar going down the middle, rotate the brushes to get the "hidden" crap up inside and off I go again. Easy Peasy.

 

[Jimmy L]

I still think it's a marketing BS line that the polymer does this and that. At $40 plus a gallon they have to BS.

Chemspec formula 90 dries into a powder that can be vacuumed up when dry. At 2 oz per 5 gallons of water a no brainer.

But here's an idea to pick up those hairballs etc. Wear a back pack vac and get them while you clean.

 

[ruff]

If I understood it correctly, Jess's CRB's have a special back renovator (the collecting tray) that comes with a hole to attach a vacuum.
Wonder if anybody used it.

 

[Tom Forsythe]

For the record, the easiest product type to get certification from "Green Seal" and/or EPA DfE are the encapsulating pre-sprays. If I wanted to pay the exorbient fees, then all of my encap products would easily have the "Green Seal" and EPA DfE. I believe that would apply to all of the other manufacturer's encap products as well. I would think after 15 years the myth label would have gone away. It may be over sold at times, but there is no better way to provide interim maintenance to commercial carpets. I knew of one company which sold the concept of "appearance management". Even if that is all it does, it is a useful procedure to extend the useful life of commercial carpet. Rick is to be commended for all the grief he took when he brought this method to the carpet cleaning world. I know I paid attention and Bridgewater now sells several branded and private label formulas around the world. Thanks, Rick.

 

[Jimmy L]

I don't think Ricky invented the shampoo or the bonnet method.

Whittaker was the main front runner to introduce it, not.......Ricky

The addition of polymers to shampoos goes way back...............before Ricky or Whittaker.

As far as I know there is NO " Encapsulation" method.............it falls under the shampoo and bonnet methods.

Encapsulation is merely a marketing term to sell expensive shampoos.

 

[Shorty]

With respect Jimmy, I believe that Rick Gelinas was the one that really promoted the encapsulation method to the world.

No, I'm not sucking up to him, I've never purchased anything from him.

Others may well have had the idea before him, but never pushed it like Rick did.

BUT, it was his advertising of encapsulation, using the Cimex, that first got me to travel across to the 'states to check out this "new idea".

I had looked at the Cimex previously, was was still convinced it was just another shampoo machine.

For me, it was the polymer that stopped the rapid re-soiling of the carpets that sold me on the idea & convinced me to go down that track.

I've had 6 machines for encapping carpet, still have 4 of them, each one has a purpose.

If this system (encap) doesn't work, I wonder why so many carpet cleaners, & this also includes janitorial services, now use them in their business??

My customers have told me for well over a decade, that they would not let another carpet cleaner into their premises using a different system.

Here's something I received along with a check just this week, this is one of a chain of jewellery stores that I maintain regularly.



Take care mate, I always enjoy reading what you have to say, even if I don't always agree with all of it.

 

[encapman]

As usual Jimmy - your facts are halfway there. It's true that old school "shampoos" have been around for a few decades. In fact that old "shampoo" method pre-dates the HWE era by several years. What changed with Whittaker and Releasit was the usage of newly developed polymers. The old school foaming shampoos were horrible. They left tons of residue behind that couldn't be recovered through post-vacuuming. If those old shampoos weren't so bad the HWE industry may not have developed to the extent that it did. But those early products were so bad that something better was needed, and HWE was clearly a step in the right direction.

But now we fast forward a couple more decades. Technology has moved forward, and what we can produce now are state of the art encap detergents. For example, Releasit contains some very cool new polymer technology combined with a variety of fluoro-chemical components. That synergy is part of what makes Releasit work the way that it does. And it's why our products remain the benchmark that all other companies like to compare their products to. That makes sense too; aim for something that works, and try to get your product to match it. The only thing is - Releasit is a moving target, because we keep finding ways to tweak it even further.

So Jimmy your old old rant really carries no weight. The old shampoos are nothing compared to the better quality new encap products. But it's your same ol' sHaMpOo spiel. Frankly I think we all find it kind of entertaining. Carry on.

 

[Old Coastie]

For pity's sake...

If you don't like encap, don't use encap. I love it. But I also love HWE. Sometimes I scrub in encap and HWE it out. My customers love it when things dry quick and they love it when I break out the extractor to flush heavy soils. They love it when I leave a mixed spray bottle of encap as spot remover.

So, flap away yet again, but as long as they keep calling me back, as long as my magnifying glass tells me the fiber is clean to the root, as long as the products keep working, I plan to use 'em.

And by the way, Excellent Supply gives great service, as (I'm sure) all the advertisers here do. Matter of fact, I love the samples and raffles and yes, even the lively debates.

Marty and Rick, I ain't so sure about.

 

[Cleanworks]

Thanks to Willy P. for helping me out on a job tonight. I brought him in because I wanted to use the brush pro to scrub the commercial wool carpets in this high end office on vancouvers waterfront. Sorry I didn't take any pics. The first area to be scrubbed was a blue wool loop carpet in the lobby. Should have never scrubbed that one. It shed like crazy and for the rest of the night it spit blue wool fibers out over the rest of the beige wool carpet in the cubicles and boardroom. Had to grab the vacuum and vac up most of it and the rest came up with the wand. We lifted all the chair pads and scrubbed with Procyon extreme and rinsed with Procyon Plus Powder. When we were done, you couldn't tell where the chair pads had been. Just over 2000 sqft. and with the hassles with late working employees wanting us to work around them, we finished in 3 1/2 hours. A little slow by our standards but a great job. Hoping for some more referrals from this one. Got the job originally because one of the employees lives in a building that I clean. Having a crb that could vacuum would really improve the speed of the job.