VLM or is it?

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With a Cimex it's actually quite surprising the rate as to which 5 gallons gets left behind on a glue down. Conditions dictate but most dirty carpets use about a half gallon per 100 ft

I try my best to get to the speed that just prevents the foam spittle. On my dry passes I tap tap tap the trigger just enough to keep the pads lubed, maybe two taps in a 2 ft pass.


Do any of you guys use an OP enough to be able to compare it's juice use to a Cimex?
 
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With a Cimex it's actually quite surprising the rate as to which 5 gallons gets left behind on a glue down. Conditions dictate but most dirty carpets use about a half gallon per 100 ft

I try my best to get to the speed that just prevents the foam spittle. On my dry passes I tap tap tap the trigger just enough to keep the pads lubed, maybe two taps in a 2 ft pass.


Do any of you guys use an OP enough to be able to compare it's juice use to a Cimex?
OP is a lot less moisture. At least double if not triple coverage depending on soiling.

The difference is shower feed vs misting spray. Because of that I don't like using OP on heavily soiled carpet. It takes too long to clean vs a Cimex.
 
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Actually, I find my cimex goes a lot further than my spray Borg. The weight and aggressiveness of the cimex pads does more in a shorter time with the same amount of solution. On both machines, I feather the solution on the forward pass and do a completely dry pass back. I recently did a twin high rise complex comparing both machines and I found the cimex used less solution for the same sqft. I am using scrub pads, not absorbent ones.
 
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Heavy soil means HWE then. This is a appearance management method.
Be surprised how much dirt you get out just by vacuuming first.
Maybe depends on the condition. I agree HWE will remove more soil but it doesn't appear as clean. What does the client want? It to look better or be cleaner but not look It?
I think if you were to show them the result of both processes they will chose Encap. That is why we try to do a free demo whenever we can.
 
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Actually, I find my cimex goes a lot further than my spray Borg. The weight and aggressiveness of the cimex pads does more in a shorter time with the same amount of solution. On both machines, I feather the solution on the forward pass and do a completely dry pass back. I recently did a twin high rise complex comparing both machines and I found the cimex used less solution for the same sqft. I am using scrub pads, not absorbent ones.
I've never seen shower feeding even come close to a spray system. Maybe your Cimex needs to be flushed out?
 
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I've never seen shower feeding even come close to a spray system. Maybe your Cimex needs to be flushed out?
I was surprised too. I have good flow on the Cimex and new jets on the sprayborg. I think it's just the way I am using it. It's different from a 175 with tank. You have much more control. Maybe I am not using enough solution but I seem to get good results.
 
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I was surprised too. I have good flow on the Cimex and new jets on the sprayborg. I think it's just the way I am using it. It's different from a 175 with tank. You have much more control. Maybe I am not using enough solution but I seem to get good results.
Results are all that matter. ☺
 
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Vlm or not.

I left a carpet wet for 2 days working for CD.

It was a real thick carpet so I left the bonnet to wet and as I finished it started to rain for two days.

Went back on the third day because she called the day before but when I got there she said it dried when the rain stopped.
 
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I've never seen shower feeding even come close to a spray system. Maybe your Cimex needs to be flushed out?
Yeah, I ran Cimex for over a decade before finding out (the hard way) that they need flushing out occasionally. Find it on youtube.
Or be a total butthole like I was and totally disassemble the machine--totally unnecessary but we did it anyway. Finally got it back together and all is well, plus I know that machine inside out and own the gear puller that you need to fix it--but I'll probably never need it again.
 
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I use an OP with microfiber bonnets, superzorbs usually. I tap the sprayer on the vibe for awhile until the pad starts to hold some solution, then I can use even less solution depending on soil level. How much I use is mostly dependent on the soil levels. I would guess i average 1 gallon to 250-300sq feet.
 
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I’m watching this thread because I’m looking for what people would recommend as a good op to supplement my 2 cimexs. Looking to use less product and reduce possible wicking on light color high end accounts.
 
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I've never had a wicking problem with my vibe and microfiber pads. Even in moderate temps with high humidity they are dry within 3 hrs. Usually less than 2. If you change the microfiber pad before it is soaked it will work best. If it starts slinging solution you are using too much.
 
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I’m watching this thread because I’m looking for what people would recommend as a good op to supplement my 2 cimexs. Looking to use less product and reduce possible wicking on light color high end accounts.
Probably the Vibe as it is less expensive than the spray borg and others. Much lighter than a cimex and just a little slower. You can use absorbent or scrub pads.
 
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I've never had a wicking problem with my vibe and microfiber pads. Even in moderate temps with high humidity they are dry within 3 hrs. Usually less than 2. If you change the microfiber pad before it is soaked it will work best. If it starts slinging solution you are using too much.
If that’s the case for you, which I’m sure it is, why not use both. Op for bad spots with pads, and Cimex to do what it does. Again, there might not be one silver bullet for everything. Same for HWE and any combo that works to get the job done.
 
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Not one machine is ideal for everything.
My old truck mount was no good for high rise office buildings with no access to the upper levels.
Portables were to noisy, smelly & inconvenient due to emptying/filling & dry times in no air conditioned offices were always a problem.

My Sprayborg DOES use less juice than my Cimex, BUT, the solution bottle holds approximately one third of what the Cimex holds.
This means that one is heading to the faucet & solution to refill more often.
When working under desks, one cannot lower the Sprayborg down low enough, otherwise solution runs out of the bottle. :hopeless:
I am also NOT a fan of the semi solid (dehum;) wheels on this machine, I much prefer pneumatic tires.
No great deal, but prior to loading the Sprayborg up the ramps into my van, the handle must be lowered, then when inside, lift the handle up again.
The Cimex just runs straight in with no change required.

I am biased towards my Big Yella for it's versatility, ease of use & quietness.

My clients are impressed with the quietness, no trip obstacles, no bad odor, carpet appearance, quick dry time & the fact that they can still work at their desks while I am cleaning, only moving to another cubicle when I'm ready to do theirs.

As Jimmy said, pre-vacuum is very important, also filthy carpets do need emptying via an extraction method prior to VLM cleaning.
Running over the carpet with a SuperZorb after extraction helps get the carpet dry much quicker in our humidity.

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I’m watching this thread because I’m looking for what people would recommend as a good op to supplement my 2 cimexs. Looking to use less product and reduce possible wicking on light color high end accounts.
Ever tried OP-oscillating pad? We use it sometimes in conjunction with cimexes. It really removes soil and is good at post bonneting certain areas that you've already cimexed.
 

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