Water Filtration/Softeners

[rjwood]

Where is it recommended that I should do research for them. I think I should consider buying one.

 

[Mikey P]

get a Kinetico if you have money to blow.


No maintenance, just add salt.


http://mikeysboard.com/threads/water-softener.277604/

 

[rjwood]

Thanks!

 

[Scott S.]

Thanks!

since our shop is at my home i installed a softener at home and i just fill the vans off of it. 2 birds one stone.
but if you don't have tanks and want to run 100% soft water all the time in the vans then definitely get what mikey suggested.

 

[Mikey P]

I have two Kineticos

Have to clean out the brine tank once a year and fill it once a month.

Haven't dealt with my new Prochem yet but the same one I had in my Judson was a monthly hassle.

 

[rjwood]

I spoke with a local dealer earlier. He said the best thing for me to do was rent a cylinder from them for $9.00 monthly (+ $70.00 setup fee and each time it's cleaned out (about every 3,000 gallons)). He claims the set up for the Kenetico is about $1500.00 and dumping is an issue with Kenetico because the calcium remains in the waste water tank and should be dumped in certain areas only.

Is he pulling my leg?

 

[Papa John]

I have 2 softners in my bone yard. Just too lazy to recharge them when they were installed. Removed them for more space and less weight.

Remind me again why I should reinstall these again.. I think our Sierra water isn't Hard.

 

[Scott S.]

I spoke with a local dealer earlier. He said the best thing for me to do was rent a cylinder from them for $9.00 monthly (+ $70.00 setup fee and each time it's cleaned out (about every 3,000 gallons)). He claims the set up for the Kenetico is about $1500.00 and dumping is an issue with Kenetico because the calcium remains in the waste water tank and should be dumped in certain areas only.
Is he pulling my leg?

the waste water from the water softeners regeneration usually goes into the waste water at a persons home, i dont see why there would be special dumping as long as your dumping down a sanitary sewer system. Kenetico systems around me start at $2200.

you would be dumping often enough that the calcium shouldn't build up in your waste water tank. .

 

[rjwood]

the waste water from the water softeners regeneration usually goes into the waste water at a persons home, i dont see why there would be special dumping as long as your dumping down a sanitary sewer system. Kenetico systems around me start at $2200.

you would be dumping often enough that the calcium shouldn't build up in your waste water tank. .

Yes, I found that out from a different dealer. I think the first one was pulling my leg.

 

[ruff]

John, we get ours from Hetch Hetchy pretty soft. If I'm not wrong about it, 3-3.5 on the hardness scale.

 

[rjwood]

The second dealer said I could buy a tank (new - $700.00; used - $350.00) that will get me about 2700 gals before regeneration, which is electronic and does it on my schedule. She said the Kenetico could decide to regenerate during a job if it needs to.

The problem with her tank is that it's porcelain and might break too easily for my application. I'm thinking about buying one and wrapping it in thick rubber for protection. She said I could also check with companies that supply water softeners to restaurants, but she's sure they'd be fairly expensive.

 

[Matt Middleton]

We fill our Butlers at the shop with soft water that then goes to the RO unit.

3 buckets of water. One tap, one soft, one reverse osmosis. Add same amount of cleaning agent. Mix. Tap very low suds, soft Mr bubbles. RO shaving cream. With RO you cut down your chemical usage by 75-85%. Soft carpet, less residue.

 

[Scott S.]

The second dealer said I could buy a tank (new - $700.00; used - $350.00) that will get me about 2700 gals before regeneration, which is electronic and does it on my schedule. She said the Kenetico could decide to regenerate during a job if it needs to.

The problem with her tank is that it's porcelain and might break too easily for my application. I'm thinking about buying one and wrapping it in thick rubber for protection. She said I could also check with companies that supply water softeners to restaurants, but she's sure they'd be fairly expensive.

i might be wrong but i think the kenetico has 2 tanks and it switches back and forth between them, regenerating the used one while the new one runs, its all based on flow. one im talking about is non electric.

 

[Scott S.]

http://www.kinetico.com/water-softener/kinetico-signature-series.aspx

 

[J Scott W]

Some options from Hydro-Force. All less expensive than the Kinetico. Hydro-Force does have an automatic model.
http://interlinksupply.com/index.php?search_val=water+softener

I will be discussing the value of soft water rinses during the Mikey's Board program next month. Will also doing some special deals at the time of that webinar.

 

[D Luke]

The automatic Hydro-Force model is VERY slick. Only have a couple months on it but it works great.

Had to turn in the first two control valves to warranty cause they leaked, though.

 

[rjwood]

My local Kinetico dealer is suggesting the smaller system and have it installed on a rack about half way up the wall of my van. I'd have to take both canisters into the house in cold weather, but they only weigh about 30 lbs each soaking wet (pun intended).

Comments?

 

[Scott S.]

Some options from Hydro-Force. All less expensive than the Kinetico. Hydro-Force does have an automatic model.
http://interlinksupply.com/index.php?search_val=water+softener

I will be discussing the value of soft water rinses during the Mikey's Board program next month. Will also doing some special deals at the time of that webinar.

I dont understand why interlink thinks they need to double their profit on every product they sell. some unique stuff i understand, but not when there is a Water guy/ business in every town that can offer way better deals.

 

[Scott S.]

these two are nearly the same price.

http://interlinksupply.com/index.php?item_num=AC39 32,000 grains, no funnel, no brine tank, no automatic head.

Same price!!!

but this one is automatic is 48,000 grain capacity, automatic, and has a brine tank. you could leave the power off figure out the math and just regenerate on demand monthly with this unit.
http://www.amazon.com/Metered-softe...50376564&sr=8-31&keywords=water+softener+tank

 

[Scott S.]

or actually compair equal capacity and manual recharging
$565 for interlink one: http://interlinksupply.com/index.php?item_num=AC39


$324 for amazon one: http://www.amazon.com/602abcWATER-3...-7&keywords=water+softener+tank+32,000+grains

 

[rjwood]

Geez, the Kinetico system is $2300.00

 

[Scott S.]

Geez, the Kinetico system is $2300.00

yeah, i have a water boss at home, i have inline filters that filter down to 5 micon then if i need or want ro or ro/di water i have another unit that can do that at home, but it's also mobile so i can take it with me if i want. it generates about .75-1 gpm depending on water pressure and if i'm feeding it soft or hard water.

 

[Mark Saiger]

Some options from Hydro-Force. All less expensive than the Kinetico. Hydro-Force does have an automatic model.
http://interlinksupply.com/index.php?search_val=water+softener

I will be discussing the value of soft water rinses during the Mikey's Board program next month. Will also doing some special deals at the time of that webinar.

Scott...how often should this unit be recharged...looking through instructions, etc...and wondering what is really recommended.

http://interlinksupply.com/index.php?item_num=AC40


We also have water softner in the shop but also have this unit on board....We are setting up bypass on the system so we don't have to run water through it unless we actually hook up to another clients faucet...

Thanks!

 

[J Scott W]

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Scott...how often should this unit be recharged...looking through instructions, etc...and wondering what is really recommended.

http://interlinksupply.com/index.php?item_num=AC40


We also have water softner in the shop but also have this unit on board....We are setting up bypass on the system so we don't have to run water through it unless we actually hook up to another clients faucet...

Thanks!

This will depend upon how hard the water is in your area and how many gallons of water you use on an average day.

This unit will remove 32,000 grains before it needs recharing. For cleaner who lives where typical water hardness is average or slightly harder than average (10 grains +/-), has his equipment running 5 hours a day (allows for some drive time and set-up time), has water flowing through the wand about 3 of those 5 hours (allows for dry strokes and other things that don't involve water flowing), they will recharge about every 28 to 30 days.

We tell most folks once a month unless they notice a decrease in performance before that. By doing the recharge on a regualr schedule such as gthe first Monday or each month or whatever, it seems to make it simpler to keep track of.

 

[Mark Saiger]

This will depend upon how hard the water is in your area and how many gallons of water you use on an average day.

This unit will remove 32,000 grains before it needs recharing. For cleaner who lives where typical water hardness is average or slightly harder than average (10 grains +/-), has his equipment running 5 hours a day (allows for some drive time and set-up time), has water flowing through the wand about 3 of those 5 hours (allows for dry strokes and other things that don't involve water flowing), they will recharge about every 28 to 30 days.

We tell most folks once a month unless they notice a decrease in performance before that. By doing the recharge on a regualr schedule such as gthe first Monday or each month or whatever, it seems to make it simpler to keep track of.

Thank you Scott.

Great information

 

[J Scott W]

An exact calculatgion could be made if you knew the hardness of the water you are using and how many gallons went through. For example, using 10 grains as the water hardness, you could use 3,2000 - 3,500 gallons before recharging.

 

[Scott S.]

having a good filter before your water softener will help prolong the life of your softener by keeping heavy sand silt from building up in it.

 

[rjwood]

http://apluswater.org/Portable Water Softener.html

 

[Mark Saiger]

having a good filter before your water softener will help prolong the life of your softener by keeping heavy sand silt from building up in it.

I do the same...have filters before all my water softeners....

Very important in my opinion as well

 

[Mark Saiger]

Here is a pic of one we are using in our vans currently....

I cannot remember the mess size but works great for us.....