When it comes to commercial glue down, what's more important

[Mikey P]

My RE analogy is dead on...

Most hot water extraction warriors don't want to deal with low moisture because they'll have to launder the pads which means either hanging out at laundromat after hours or pissing off the wife.

But the truth to it all is "less is more" when it comes to cleaning abused commercial carpet.

If you try and be a hero and flush all the soil out with your rotary extractor you're going to be in a world to hurt and guys like Larry are smart enough to know that but they're not man enough to admit it.

 

[Meter Maid]

Now that Vibes cost more than a Phoenix after buying the weight kit, I can’t see any benefit.

When the Vibe was a thousand less, that was the benefit.

Was the vibe improved or anything when they added over $1000 to the price tag overnight?

 

[Mikey P]

Now that Vibes cost more than a Phoenix after buying the weight kit, I can’t see any benefit.

When the Vibe was a thousand less, that was the benefit.

Was the vibe improved or anything when they added over $1000 to the price tag overnight?

No improvements just too many outsourced parts...


Trinity is All American and can keep the cost lower due to lack of importing

 

[Dolly Llama]

not man enough

LTA

 

[Mikey P]

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You under cleaning pussy.

 

[Rick J]

You bring up a good point Mikey. That was the world I lived in doing tons of commercial carpet. EVERY method that we tried had some kind of drawback.

Wicking, and recurring stains were the order of the day. And it got worse when I would send out techs. Let’s face it, I learned how to baby the carpet and cajole some decent results from CGD. But trying to get techs to get creative and attempt to fix a messed up CGD was too much to expect.

That’s why I kept exploring options. My IICRC instructors could give me nothing of substance. The trade journals offered nothing. Though my local distributors did have plenty of suggestions… leading me to purchase one thing after another as I tried to resolve the problem. Yet the myriad of problems with CGD remained.

So that’s why I kept searching. When I finally discovered the Cimex/encap system that’s when things changed. Dingy carpets were no longer dingy. All of the recurring spill stains disappeared. Wicking was no longer an issue. Now all of the carpets that we maintained looked good.

Sure, we can get all La Di Da about the morality of HWE. But I’m talking real world. And in the real world people want to see clean carpet. And now we were finally in a position to deliver turn key results on every job. And we were able to easily achieve these kind of results with average technicians. Our company was now able to provide consistent results, without customer complaints, while maintaining a good profit margin.

While HWE may be the best way to flush a carpet of the greatest quantity of soil in a single shot — a good Encap system can keep a commercial carpet looking great on a day-in day-out basis. And at the end of the day, satisfying our customers while running a systematized profitable company is why we're in business. :-)

brother in law is/was custodian . He also did side work. Local jan/san supplier used to use his floors for pics in their sales stuff.
anyway, he had me from time to time clean carpet in his accounts. Usually they were not bad at all. Even at a manufacturing facility, and right off of the garage area. He told me that his rep had , long ago, told him to MOP those CGDs.
We HWEs were def behind the eight ball when it came to maintaining those.
Pretty funny though, because slowly I began incorporating VLMing . Brough my old CCS machine to a couple of his places. He was doubtful at first.

 

[SamIam]

Are you running weights on the Vibe? If not, you should… the cleaning difference is big.

I have them now, think I bought mine through Damon.

I'll definitely try that next time.

 

[SamIam]

If I sold those machines, I would practically beg everyone to buy the weight kit. When I first got an Orbot, I thought it cleaned like shit, and then I learned about the weight kit. Problem with the kit is it pain in the ass to put on and take off, so I just left my kit on, but it made the machine weigh almost 150 pounds.

Come on it's not that hard 4 bolts

 

[Nate The Great]

Come on it's not that hard 4 bolts

Don't forget the wing nuts you Nut.. I keep my weights on as well.. Even after all the hoopla about not running the Vibe with the weight kits on CGD..


And to answer @Dolly Llama question, AGE my man......... When youz getting older, youz start to say "it's good enough"...........

 

[Mikey P]

When youz getting older, youz start to say "it's good enough".

shit, he said that 20 years ago when he was just skimming the surface with his 300 psi AW

 

[Tom Forsythe]

This has been a good discussion. Most of you clean more carpet in a few weeks than I have in my life (exception oriental rugs). Does the move toward low moisture cleaning away from extraction cleaning have anything to do with nylon going from 50% of new carpet sales to 25% in the last decade? Polyester is now close to 75% of all new carpet sales. From afar it seems to be a strong statistical correlation. There are also other factors like skill of labor, cost of equipment, length of time between carpet replacement, etc. Your opinions from the real world would be appreciated!! (This is the reason I follow this board.)

 

[Mikey P]

This has been a good discussion. Most of you clean more carpet in a few weeks than I have in my life (exception oriental rugs). Does the move toward low moisture cleaning away from extraction cleaning have anything to do with nylon going from 50% of new carpet sales to 25% in the last decade? Polyester is now close to 75% of all new carpet sales. From afar it seems to be a strong statistical correlation. There are also other factors like skill of labor, cost of equipment, length of time between carpet replacement, etc. Your opinions from the real world would be appreciated!! (This is the reason I follow this board.)

The move to microfiber pads from cotton is huge.

Remember the skids you would have to place between the pads and the floor just to get the machine to move which effectively covered up about 50% of its usable surface?

It wasn't that long ago that The Trinity machines were like running jackhammers and after an hour or so your hands went numb.

And the smooth running Orbit options just didn't do much more than the 175 did or does...

 

[SamIam]

The move to microfiber pads from cotton is huge.

Remember the skids you would have to place between the pads and the floor just to get the machine to move which effectively covered up about 50% of its usable surface?

It wasn't that long ago that The Trinity machines were like running jackhammers and after an hour or so your hands went numb.

And the smooth running Orbit options just didn't do much more than the 175 did or does...

I've done few residential carpet with vlm.

Very few.


I would only a. vacuum, b. crb, then use a 175 vibe trinity machine.


Follow by post crb .


It's a lot more work than a truck mount haha..

On residential.

 

[FB7777]

Just another fun day if super soaking 5,000 sq feet of carpet and upholstery for $3k

VLM this

 

[Kenny Hayes]

Nope. Thus the reason for many options. Even a porty if needed

 

[Meter Maid]

I've done few residential carpet with vlm.

Very few.


I would only a. vacuum, b. crb, then use a 175 vibe trinity machine.


Follow by post crb .


It's a lot more work than a truck mount haha..

On residential.

It definitely takes longer, but some days I just don’t feel like pulling hoses, especially on the big homes.

But more importantly, if the carpet isn’t very dirty, I get better results over the long term with VLM.

 

[SamIam]

Most of us know that the ultimate way to clean CGD is the vac, pre-spray, scrub, TM extraction, let it dry and post bonnet/OP to fix wicking and remove additional soil.

Most situations don't allow for this "dual method" approach.

So we either HWE ( and most of us will forgo the vac and pre scrub) and maybe do a few dry strokes, and hope for the best.

Which is usually slow drying, stanky odor, reappearing spots and a botchy appearance.


Some run an RX or Zipper, which removes a bit more soil but can lead to even more stanky/reappearing issues due to MORE water being used..


Sending techs to do the work leads to an even shittier job. Sure they pretend to care while the boss watches

Of you can OP with two types of pads, blue for most and cotton blend for the heavy use areas. Yep you are removing less deep down soil but the carpet dries before it can wick, the spots are gone, no stanky and to 99.9% of the human race it looks great.


In the end, comparing both, which is a more "quality product/service"?


HWE because of your moral victory over the soil demos or a VLM with happy customer who didn't have to deal with the HWE systems' short comings?




yeah yeah, you never get redos, no complaints blah blah, most commercial jos can't afford the time and costs involved to have you come back to to fix issues, they just try someone else next time.

That's alot