I have to agree with Mikey. I will preface what I am going to say with the fact that those who know me will tell you I'm not a jerk, a "follower", someone with an agenda, a shill, or one who holds a grudge. For those who don't know me, I have been around the bulletin boards since 1996 or 1997. If you have questions about my character, you can talk to someone who has been around forever (and respected) like Scott Warington or Armand Taddeo.
What I have seen on the clean board coupled with MANY MANY statements on ICS, has given me some insight into some personalities and agendas. I'll start by saying YES, I have a problem with Joe Bristor. I have put up with his endless spam, and numerous e-mails trying to sell me something after I make a post on the bb (like him trying to sell me a couple hundred carpet rakes after I posted about using them.) That in itself is only mildy aggitating, however him making a nasty, untrue statement about me on a bb could not be overlooked. This was all regarding his hatred of Greenie. He tried to tear me up and accused me of being a shill for Greenie in exchange for my "free
glide." If the jerk had his facts together, he would have known that I did not even get my glide from Greenie, much-less get a FREE one from him. Joe has done this more than once, and you just don't attack my character, ESPECIALLY when it is not true.
I have observed how Ed Valentine acts over there as well. Man, talk about letting your hair down and letting it all hang out! I would use a shop vac and a Vincent's water otter before I'd buy a Cross American now. I have no respect for someone who gets so wound up in talking trash behind people's backs in a "private clubhouse". I can't even remember every single thing I read there, but I can tell you I will never own Cross American. It made a choice between Mytee and CA easy for me. Someone with something to sell TO this industry should never get wound up in silly diatribe and such negative comments. John is the most recent example of that. Chasing Randy around here and running his mouth will probably just get him a law suit instead of money.
Regarding other people on the clean board: it is just all to obvious that they have an agenda. The ill feelings that they have toward Greenie comes through oh so strong in their posts on the clean board as well as ICS. I'm sorry. You can defend them until the cows come home, but any person with a reasonable amount of intelligence can see what is going on. That same reasonably intelligent person is also offended when you try to explain that there is no agenda, and how they really just love Greenie. The repeated posts which are supposed to be subtle slams on Greenie are transparent at best. It does not take a rocket scientist to see what is going on. I just feel bad that people who are friends of mine are taken in by that crap.
I did spend some time at the clean board, but I have not been there in weeks. I'm sorry, but I just had all of the Mikey, Mikey's board, and Mikey's board users slamming I could stand. Sure there is a lot of crap that goes on here, and obviously Mike set this place up so that could happen without ruining the whole bb. I could not go over there and read a handfull of posts without wading through slams by people who obviously hate other people, and that applies to a lot of people on both sides! I'm not a follower, nor am I a butt kisser, but I DEEPLY resent the remarks made that include ME in a blanket statement because I post here and I like Mike.
I say GROW the crap up! We are not in the sixth grade anymore! If you don't like someone, FINE!! Just ignore them and get on with your life. I seriously wonder sometimes just how busy people really are. You can only spend so much time bashing, chasing, researching, and posting about people if you are running a successful business.
There may have been changes to the clean board and the personalities there, but I will never know. I will not go back over there. I have nothing against Nick. We buried the hatchet and I consider him a friend. I wish him no harm. I know that bb was started as a clubhouse to serve as an alternative and competitor to Mikey's board. That is cool, however the constant childish comments behind the backs of people over there made it an obvious agenda mill. Walking in there for some people would be easily akin to a black man walking into a KKK meeting. This industry needs unity, and people working together to raise consumer awareness to the REAL hacks and untrustworthy people out there. Chasing around Mike and Greenie serves no fruitful purpose.
Now everyone needs to go work on their business. If some people invested as much time in their business as they put forth into their agendas here, they could be doing close to five figures by now!
