Who holds the best classes on Rug Cleaning

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Ron your IP brings up some interesting questions.

At this point I'm going to have to insist that you show some proof of you actually owning a rug cleaning company in the area your IP exists in.

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"RonH" has two IP addresses attached to his profile.

One is from Rockland Maryland, the home town of Barry O'Connell http://www.facebook.com/jbarryoconnell?fref=ts

The other is from Arlington Virginia. Where he works "for the government" as he has said many times.

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yep, a real class act.



and yet you fug rags who don't want to rock the boat will continue to blow this POS.
 
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you made a bit of a leap there to Barry...although I don't doubt it.........

the second IP is allocated to Pacific Architects and Engineers ...........a government contractor...seems an odd place for a Rug *** to be posting from

unless they needed some database tweaking....



odd he watched the thread for a few hours but no response
 
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Ellen and Aaron are well-known in the rug cleaning industry as providing unbiased information from a deep well of knowledge. It's unlikely they'll be too concerned about attacks from instructors that don't have their experience or credibility.
 

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when my IP search showed Barry's home town as it's location what more is there to wait for?

Besides that, the verbiage used and the point of his message made it beyond perfectly clear.



the only mystery that remains is what part Dusty played in this BS.
 
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Barry, getting back to your question if I had a Mor machine and rug plant. An the answer is no. At that time there were only 5 in the whole LA area and I was not one of them. This is why I teamed up with Ellen Amirkhan to offer rug cleaning training. Ellen and I bring different areas of expertise to our education. She is the rug cleaner and appraiser with a full plant and I come from primarily a chemical, equipment, business and sales background. One of the many reasons our education programs have lasted 20 years is that we don't bring the same expertise to the table. Our backgrounds complement one another and deliver a well-rounded program.

I seems you view an inherited business as something given - continued without requiring any effort to to build the business. There are many second generation cleaning firms (like Lisa's) and third and fourth generation firms like Ellen's. The success rate of second generation businesses is very slim, it takes a special person to grow a business beyond what was done before them (e.g. Ken Snow).

Let me know the address of your plant I would love to stop by next month when I am in Maryland.
 
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Ellen and Aaron are well-known in the rug cleaning industry as providing unbiased information from a deep well of knowledge. It's unlikely they'll be too concerned about attacks from instructors that don't have their experience or credibility.

X2- Both are first class people.
 

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Mikey why don't you call out all the "Supporters" ? SInce I had my issue with Crusty I don't support him, I can't voice my opinion either but I won't even use his Beater. I've tried to sell it a number of times it sits in the room I made for my spinner. The one thing about Phil and his classes and equipment is that he actually uses what he teaches and sells every day. Stop by Berthod CO and you'll see him with his boots on using his system and his solutions.
 

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What class is "best" for you really depends on where you are at in terms of your familiarity with rugs, with cleaning, what your budget is, and above all else how "into" rugs you are. It's not for everyone. Some people will see nothing wrong with steam cleaning rugs in the home no matter how much they learn about how that is not the best for the rug, or for actually being "clean" - those are never going to be rug experts, but they will make money at rug cleaning.

I have enjoyed learning from Phil and from Ellen - truly because both know a helluva lot about rugs, and being in the group of cleaners today who grew up around them, for second and third generation cleaners, it's a cool "club" to be connected with.

For several years while I was on the National Institute for Rug Cleaners council - which sponsored the rug advanced class, I asked them to please develop a super basic class for carpet cleaners, because that content was way beyond what most could handle. You simply cannot learn rug ID in a few weeks, and learning rug ID does not help you understand how to wash rugs better. But understandably, the experts there were never excited about dumbing down the content.

When I got tired of complaining, I just created a course myself, which is where Rug Secrets started (before the IICRC course was out), and now it's an online course, perhaps the cheapest one out there, which for anyone who wants the basics and is not envisioning becoming a big rug cleaner ever... it's a great way to keep yourself out of trouble. Then when you are ready, you can move on.

Even my advanced course, which is 6 months of content with Jim Pemberton, has a focus not on rug ID, but on the cleaning basics, and just like Bryan says - there are limits learning from one cleaning "system" that someone is selling - we teach with a wide variety of tools because I have always been of the belief that when you master understanding the PROCESS, you can use tools to create those results - and when you are ready to spend hundreds of thousands on a volume-based operation you can... but most are simply not at that place.

I loved the course by Ellen, I even liked the IICRC class I took from Aaron. Neither has gotten me a referral of a job in a decade. You know what has - the wool specialist course, and even though I've never been great friends with Ruth, I've told all of my Textile Pros to take her wool course because a few jobs a year is more than worth the $200 for that really tedious process of knowing more than you would ever want to know about wool. LOL.

I'm a believer that there is no "best" in this area, and that the best is to take everything that seems right at the time, and eventually create your own philosophy on how you want to handle rug cleaning, rug clients, and develop your own reputation in your city. It never hurts to have more education, good or bad, because it always provides an opportunity to grow and to perhaps even recognize when you may know more in certain areas than the teacher does - especially in many of these classes that are 1 or 2 days taught by some guys who have never cleaned rugs before, and there are a lot of them today.

If you get a chance to learn from Phil, or from Ellen, I'd say take it if you can afford it. But anyone struggling to make more money with rug cleaning, and stay out of trouble, you should look at the cheaper options because you will be overwhelmed with content and that will NOT make you a better rug cleaner.

There are plenty of options out there now today... so at least we can't say there are no choices. Especially with online options, no one has to go out of state anymore to get some valuable training.

Lisa
 

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I keep hearing about that Michigan guys chemicals but I have great success with the new stuff from BridgePoint. I was a MasterBlend guy but I love WoolMedic and I met their chemist Tom at Connections and that guy is the Real Deal Rug Guy. He knows his stuff.


I noticed Nathan and Paul lucus didn't attend the last rug tour?
 

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After four runs through the centrifuge I still wouldn't touch one of them with Ken's ten foot squeegee...




And I'm guessing Nathan and Paul now feel the same..

Maybe Pemberton will carefully massage some sense into Lisa...
 

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So


Dusty and Barry..

Anything else to say?

You are both free to post here assuming you can play by the rules..



Just a reminder...
No liars, cheats, hucksters and sociopathic behavior...



And please brush your teeth.
 

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Here's a recap of what liars, cheats, hucksters and sociopathic behavior are.


Liar;
a person who tells lies

Cheat;
1, to deprive of something valuable by the use of deceit or fraud
2, to influence or lead by deceit, trick, or artifice
3, to elude or thwart by or as if by outwitting
4,to practice fraud or trickery, to violate rules dishonestly
5, to be sexually unfaithful


Huckster;
one who produces promotional material for commercial clients especially for radio or television.

Sociopath / Antisocial personality disorder (ASPD)

  1. failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest;
  2. deception, as indicated by repeatedly lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure;
  3. impulsiveness or failure to plan ahead;
  4. irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults;
  5. reckless disregard for safety of self or others;
  6. consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain consistent work behavior or honor financial obligations;
  7. lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another;








Could they at least post under their own names?
 

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Rug Snobs, can't clean a dirty rug without pointing fingers at each other. :icon_rolleyes:

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I'm no shrink but I am very forgiving when it comes to letting assholes back on here.

I can tell you this all 3 personality disorders are keeping me from posting pictures and video of Ellen's plant.


Lockhart go visit Ellen, she has a real sweet deal for wtw cleaners who don't want to clean rugs themselves..
 
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Ellens place is pretty neat, I'd never seen a Red Moore machine, nice people and she was air dusting too which was nice to see... Air Blows!
 

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Ellen and Aaron have brought together some of the students of the Master Rug Cleaner's course, and others, to benefit from the instruction that Robert Mann will be providing on rug repair. The special course is this Thursday and Friday. It will be held in Dallas at Ellen's facility.

Where else can you go to get that kind of quality teaching furnished?

The networking will be fantastic among the 2 dozen or so that will likely be there.

Maybe some discreet photos will be permitted? Aaron what do you say?
 
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