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[steve_64]

When you are using the crb doesn't that bring the encap down the fibers and the loose soil up the fibers to be wiped away by the follow up bonnet and all layers vacuumed away by the follow up vacuuming?

My experience is that encap products dont always break down the toughest oils. That's why a truck mount and a good prespray work better IMO when I prespray and use the crb the deep oils and soil ball up or coagulate making them easier to remove. Encap products don't do that from what I've seen.

 

[Papa John]

Isn't that what the pre and especially the post vacuum is all about? My understanding is that the the remaining soiling is encapsulated and then a post vacuum when dry is necessary to remove the encap+soil.

After sweating all day during a hard day at work and its time to clean yourself:
1) Are you going to remove the stench and filth from your body with baby powder and then brush that stuff off?----- "Host method"
2) use baby wipes to clean your body?--- "Bonnet method"
3) spray your body with hair spray?--- "encap Method"
4) Take a shower?--- "HWE method"

 

[BIG WOOD]

Only HWE will get out what you can clearly see in that photo

This is coming from the guy who swirled (cimexed, encapped, vlmed) a restaurant.

 

[Willy P]

That's the Californian symbol for asshole. @Mikey P

This is the Canadian symbol- *

 

[Mikey P]

This is coming from the guy who swirled (cimexed, encapped, vlmed) a restaurant.

I dont encap homes Jr, try and keep up..

 

[Mikey P]

What is the reasoning for the soil left down at the bottom? Is there a flaw in the chemistry that doesn't allow the encap down to the bottom of the fibers? If you pre vacuum the carpet 80% of the soil should be removed. The remaining 20% should be touched by the encap by either the crb scrubbing the carpet or the bonnets describing/wiping the dirt away. Then there is the post vacuum that should take away the remainder. Now I can see if the full process isn't being followed that there would be significant soil remaining. But if the process is followed correctly what specifically is the shortcoming?

Sure, in a perfect world where the carpet has not been cleaned in the past by the homeowner and her mud making Rug Doctor or Stanley and his steemy soaker.

Once the crud and goo has been turned to adobe down deep, it's time to bring in the TM and RE.


Will's machines and methods were designed for interim cleaning, he's great at pushing them to the limit, but well....look at that picture. If I ran my RVBH over that he AND the home owner would shit themselves

 

[BIG WOOD]

I dont encap homes Jr, try and keep up..

I know you've tried it. Repent

 

[Cleanworks]

After sweating all day during a hard day at work and its time to clean yourself:
1) Are you going to remove the stench and filth from your body with baby powder and then brush that stuff off?----- "Host method"
2) use baby wipes to clean your body?--- "Bonnet method"
3) spray your body with hair spray?--- "encap Method"
4) Take a shower?--- "HWE method"

Now if it was a laquer hairspray, that's like scotchgard included. I may never have to shower again.

 

[Onfire_02_01]

My experience is that encap products dont always break down the toughest oils. That's why a truck mount and a good prespray work better IMO when I prespray and use the crb the deep oils and soil ball up or coagulate making them easier to remove. Encap products don't do that from what I've seen.

Thanks Steve,
This comment is along the lines of what I was looking for. Most of the other responses were 'butt pucker because it doesn't work that's why' types.

 

[Onfire_02_01]

After sweating all day during a hard day at work and its time to clean yourself:
1) Are you going to remove the stench and filth from your body with baby powder and then brush that stuff off?----- "Host method"
2) use baby wipes to clean your body?--- "Bonnet method"
3) spray your body with hair spray?--- "encap Method"
4) Take a shower?--- "HWE method"

You forgot the Japanese method of sitting in a sauna until you were good and sweaty then scraping the goo off with a stick followed by a bucket of cold water to rinse off.

 

[Desk Jockey]

After sweating all day during a hard day at work and its time to clean yourself:
1) Are you going to remove the stench and filth from your body with baby powder and then brush that stuff off?----- "Host method"
2) use baby wipes to clean your body?--- "Bonnet method"
3) spray your body with hair spray?--- "encap Method"
4) Take a shower?--- "HWE method"

I like the analogy John. However there are many times I just wash my hands, or my face and hands. Often I'm out cutting grass and come in and rinse off my arms and wipe down with a face towel until I have the time to shower.

The same as carpet cleaning, its not always corrective cleaning. Some of what we do for corporate clients is just routine maintenance.

 

[WillS]

You just have to know how to clean with it. Just like there is crappy steam cleaners there is crappy encap cleaners.

 

[Desk Jockey]

Do think its the same guys?
I mean if it is maybe we should take them out?

Would anyone really miss Marty?

 

[rick imby]

Get out of that Method Mind Set.

Become a master of them all, because they all have their place.

In my humdrum life as a carpet cleaner I have two great joys to look forward to every day.

One is telling a new customer that..

"Unlike all those other companies in town who only offer one method and try their best to convince you it's the best, we offer ALL the methods and pick our plan of attack once we see and survey your particular situation, often times combining two or more methods to get the deepest cleaning and the quickest dry times"
That right there stops the conversation. It makes sense to them and they never bring up method again.

They don't even ask what method you did once you're done.





the Second joy in my day is picking on Marty.

I love the HWE guys like Mikey that claim to be "both VLM and HWE" just another sales pitch.

Tell me Mikey when was the last time you VLM cleaned a moderately dirty house carpet?

Next time your customers with really dirty carpets that you regularly clean replace their carpet----tell me HWE gets dirt out of the base of the carpet....

HWE just gets "SOME" of the dirt off the top of the carpet... You are all just appearance cleaners...

Rug cleaners truly get the dirt out of the backing...

 

[Mikey P]

Go fix a flat ya wanna be.

 

[Cleanworks]

Go fix a flat ya wanna be.

If you want to be really shocked, just vacuum an area rug for an hour or so and then take the same rug and put it through a rug duster or use a rug badger on it. You will be amazed at how much dry soil still remains after serious vacuuming.

 

[rick imby]

Go fix a flat ya wanna be.

Yes Oh big headed one....

 

[Desk Jockey]

If you want to be really shocked, just vacuum an area rug for an hour or so and then take the same rug and put it through a rug duster or use a rug badger on it. You will be amazed at how much dry soil still remains after serious vacuuming.

Even after cleaning if you don't dust it.

 

[Mikey P]

I love the HWE guys like Mikey that claim to be "both VLM and HWE" just another sales pitch.
Tell me Mikey when was the last time you VLM cleaned a moderately dirty house carpet?

- I may be Satan but I aint that evil.

Next time your customers with really dirty carpets that you regularly clean replace their carpet----tell me HWE gets dirt out of the base of the carpet....

- not our fault they dont vacuum enough, or call us enough..

HWE just gets "SOME" of the dirt off the top of the carpet... You are all just appearance cleaners..

- Ignert. Get a DevPro filter and a RVBH and a truckmount and get back to me

Rug cleaners truly get the dirt out of the backing...

Some do, most dont. Most rugs cleaned in the US are skimmed over just like wall top wall.

 

[rick imby]

Without airflow through the carpet backing there is no way possible to get the dirt that has fallen to the backing. I know you get a lot of dirt out of the carpet but the dirtiest water is left.

I also maintain that most vacuum cleanerss have so little suction that half the dirt they make disappear actually goes into the backing from the agitation, not into the vacuum cleaner.

I have no idea why you guys use these portable vacuums that have virtually no air volume when you have a hose that could be hooked to a vacuum agitation head that would really pull the dirt out of the carpet.

Ever thought of using a vacuum head designed to be used with a Central vacuum hooked to your TM?

hmmm

 

[Mikey P]

Ever thought of using a vacuum head designed to be used with a Central vacuum hooked to your TM?

yep and they blow apart in a few uses

spins way too fast

 

[Desk Jockey]

yep and they blow apart in a few uses

spins way too fast

Works good with a HEPA tank vacuum but on a TM...damn. Just damn!

Scary mommy scary!

 

[Nate The Great]

Works good with a HEPA tank vacuum but on a TM...damn. Just damn!

Scary mommy scary!

I just started using a back pack vacuum with the turbo cat.... Works get and doesn't sound like it's going to break and fall apart.... I'm just too lazy to Strap it on my back and actually use it... Them things are heavy... I can see why janitors like them...

 

[Desk Jockey]

It works great with backpacks. We use it that way too.

 

[rick imby]

They make the heads that are electric, not air powered. Or the electric powered head from a normal cannister style vacuum.

 

[Cleanworks]

We have used our tm to provide suction for a certified pile lifter. Works fantastic but you need hepa style filtration to avoid dust getting into your blower

 

[rick imby]

We have used our tm to provide suction for a certified pile lifter. Works fantastic but you need hepa style filtration to avoid dust getting into your blower

Devastator won't get the big stuff?

 

[BIG WOOD]

Devastator won't get the big stuff?

Tom can send you a dry hepa filter to put in the devastator. I have 2 of them and they work great