==Would like to pick your brain about an upcoming commercial cleaning==

[Desk Jockey]

It's due to these situations we added OP several years back. Portables suck, bucket brigade for 24,000 sq/ft, you'll kill yourself trying to do that. Even worse the results just will not show the effort put forth.

If you can't get the Cimex and if you don't own an Orbot you can still do a fantastic job with the right chems and setup.

A plain old 175 and pad driver, electric sprayer and VacAway chems will cut through that film like a Hot Knife through butter.

Call Steve at VacAway or contact Jeremy for their suggestions on chems. We would use Ho Knife but if you're wanting more green solutions Encap Green if it needs a brighting boost Peroxcellent is an great choice also .

 

[hogjowl]

Listen to the little brown man.

Since you ain't listening to me ...

 

[Desk Jockey]

What did you suggest Porkchop?

Thanks for the little also, some days I just feel FAT.

 

[Out of Character - 0]

Without seeing it this is what we would probably do:

-Prevac the ta's with a 30" vac, brush set low as possible
-2 techs prespray and rinse with whatever you can. If possible we'd run up to 1200ft (1000 of 2.5) of hose if it meant we could use a tm.

-Day 2 would be a cimex or 175 w/encap followed by another tech grooming with a Whittaker.

As far as comparing a cimex and a 175 on soiled carpet. Were a little better than 2 times faster with a mex and use 1/4th the chems.

 

[Desk Jockey]

I like your idea Jess but here is the real question that always bothers me. Do you buy a piece of equipment for the one job? Sometimes we do but mostly we don't.

If I were Brent it would depend more on how much CGD do I clean and is it was enough to justify the purchase then. If I can alot, YES I buy the Cimex and this job helped pay for a piece of equipment that is going make me more money down the road.

However if I don't clean that much commercial carpet then I'm going to do what ever it takes to do a good job but I'm going to do it with equipment I already own or can borrow, rent or purchase at a low cost.

We have so much equipment you'd think we are nutz but we use the majority enough to justify the purchase. If we don't use it that frequent we will likely rent.

 

[Jimmy L]

If you have an old 100 psi portable use that as your sprayer and hose it out then bonnet clean over it using a 300 rpm buffer and tuways.

You can rent the buffer cheap local.

 

[Shane Deubell]

We would extract the high traffic lanes any way possible, will last a lot longer.
Probably looking at 4-5k sqrs in high traffic space.

Most commercial space has vacuum issues more then anything, pre-vac is pretty important.
4-5 stories wouldn't scare me with a TM, long term i agree with encap but have found that initial extraction to wash away the sins of the past.

 

[handdi]

extract it with an acid rinse i mean rinse it well 2 or 3 passes every path
and you will be fine
need to get what ever in there out first
if ya have some wick backs go take care of them
your gettin paid well for this one
presray small areas at a time and flush the crap out of it

 

[idreadnought]

The largest commercial building I ever did was cleaned previously with bonnet method. This previous cleaning left less than acceptable results with a rapid re soiling issue. Bonnet cleaning and encap cleaning are very much different. The film your refering to may be residue from bonnet or portable cleaning that used too much cleaning agent. If you have the time beg or borrow the cimex and do a test patch to see how well it works. You may be surprised. Explain to the facility manager why you are doing it and they will be impressed that you are taking this effort to make sure the results will be steller.

 

[Desk Jockey]

Too many variables to blame the method. What pads did they use? Cotton, synthetic, combo? What chems? Cheap janitorial, brand name or chems designed by low moisture specialist manufacturer? How about the operator was he a competitor or was it cleaned by the janitorial staff?
Lots of times they include it in their bids at next to no profit if that was the case it was cleaned to get done, not to get clean.

 

[Jimmy L]

Just remember that "ENCAP" is nothing more than leaving a NON soil attracting residue.

The "Proof" is in the POST vac bag........meaning nothing ....no EnCaPsULaTED dirt.

Another solution or OPTION would be to use walk behinds using FRESH water to rinse the carpet and then do a Bonnet cleaning using an O2 encap shampoo.

Having cleaned several schools using walk behinds they are easy to use and easy to run back to the janitor's slop sink to fill and dump.

Don't DISCOUNT what they can do when it's impossible to run long hose runs.

 

[Desk Jockey]

Hell the walk behind thingy is a soil redistribution machine. Whats the PSI on that dude James? Slightly more that you pissing?

 

[alazo1]

Do you have an op machine?





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[Ron Werner]

I used a Cimex with white pads on a really soiled CGD tile carpet. We prevac'd as best we could first, then I put a couple oz's of S&G and O2 in the tank and went to it. We were able to rinse with the TM. The Cimex cleaned it so well you couldn't really tell where it was being rinsed.

The white residue, will it vacuum off?
If you're going to maintain it, perhaps give it a good scrub with a OP, 175, or Cimex with a stronger cleaner in it, ie as above, then do the next cleaning in 2 mths to break up any cleaner residue, eventually getting it on a regular plan. Give it a good vacuuming to pick up the dry stuff.

 

[renegade_cowboy]

I really appreciate all the input guys. I am going to see if my local JD has a cimex for sale, if not i am going to use 2 spinners, and one porty. I figure I would have one guy prevac, one guy go around removing all the bad stains and then have one use the spinner. The good thing is that only half of it is in bad shape, I am doing this account every quarter so i think it would be a good investment to get the cimex.

I will take some pics during the cleaning, its a high end medical call center and didn't want to bring up issues by me taking pics during business hours.

What is the best product for this cleaning?

 

[tmdry]

You can get 3 cimexes for the price of 1 these days. - Craigslist is your friend.

I would also look into getting an used Defender (made by orbitec), and only using that w/ pads that remove soil in the really bad areas. The other areas str8 encap w/ fiber max pads from Rick G.

 

[Jeremy]

Give me a call & I'll walk you through it... 812-595-6333 (new cell phone)

 

[Shane Deubell]

I really appreciate all the input guys. I am going to see if my local JD has a cimex for sale, if not i am going to use 2 spinners, and one porty. I figure I would have one guy prevac, one guy go around removing all the bad stains and then have one use the spinner. The good thing is that only half of it is in bad shape, I am doing this account every quarter so i think it would be a good investment to get the cimex.

I will take some pics during the cleaning, its a high end medical call center and didn't want to bring up issues by me taking pics during business hours.

What is the best product for this cleaning?

At minimum i would use a porty/spotter to flush out any really deep spills.

 

[renegade_cowboy]

I got a cimex, since the job is 4 days away i am going to get products from interlink or jon don. What kind of pads and how many do you think I need for 24,000 sq ft and how much cleaning product with the soiling conditions mentioned?

Thanks

 

[Desk Jockey]

From JonDon get the Cimex Floor Pads, Champagne color, 2-boxes (15) per box.!
Maybe 3000sqft a set 5 sets to a box, 1 box might get it but you'll use them later so (2) boxes just incase. Chems? I'm not familiar with their chems but you'll most likey use 4-8 oz per gallon. 20oz per tank and 1,500-2,000sq/ft coverage a tank full. A case might do it but you'll use it up on other jobs so I'd get (2) cases.

 

[jcooper]

Brent,

Don't forget your faucet adapters(and small 3/4' hose) or anything you need to get water as fast and easy as possible.

You'll do fine with the, " i am going to use 2 spinners, and one porty."

 

[renegade_cowboy]

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[renegade_cowboy]

I went down and gave them another estimate for more carpet, so here are some of the bad areas of this job. The first pic is from the previous cleaner.

I got a cimex and two crb's.. 3 people in all are working on it, so hopefully we can do 4-6,000 sq ft an hour. Don't think I need a porty with this one.

Job gets done tomorrow night.

 

[Desk Jockey]

Sounds like you have it under control, looks like a good job.Take your time in those areas in need of attention and fly over those that don't. Should be able to meet those production numbers, even taking enough time to make a difference in those traffic areas.

You can mix 50/50 concentrate with water and precondition those spots. Work it in good with the Cimex or CRB. Should be an easy job, one that will dry looking great.

 

[renegade_cowboy]

Sounds like you have it under control, looks like a good job.Take your time in those areas in need of attention and fly over those that don't. Should be able to meet those production numbers, even taking enough time to make a difference in those traffic areas.

You can mix 50/50 concentrate with water and precondition those spots. Work it in good with the Cimex or CRB. Should be an easy job, one that will dry looking great.

Thanks for the tip.. I am hoping it all goes well, this will be my biggest yearly account so just need to get past this restoration cleaning. Their expectations are low because of previous cleaners so this should make me look like a rock star. Do you think I should prevac the job or just prevac it after its all dried? I am using a peroxide based encap cleaner.

Scale of 1 -10, what do you think the level of soiling is considered for this job.

 

[Desk Jockey]

Prevac is best, do they not have a janitorial service? We usually have them prevac unless included in the price.

We have 50/50 mixed in spray bottle for small spotting (shooting from the hip, and in the Big Boss Sprayers for larger areas.

Soil load looks light, most of what we clean looks like that. 7-8 on your scale something easily handled by encap.

With it so fast upon you there is not enough enough time to get you some other pads that will give you options but contact Jeremy for next time. He sells BBC that fit the Cimex, 8-inch synthetic with power stripe that can do some real breaking up of heavily soiled areas, plain pads for spotting a water stain or spot cleaning, grey ones that are slightly more aggressive than the tan.

 

[Ron Werner]

I've always found that if I can prevac the light soil out ahead of time, there is nothing there to wick up.

 

[renegade_cowboy]

Well the job went good, the biggest issue was fricken parking downtown. The job went great, the cimex was the biggest winner of the night, even had to go over areas the brush pro couldn't even touch... which did lower productivity. 95%+ of the stains came right out by using an o2 product, the wear patterns buffed right out and removed that "cleaning line" from the previous cleaner.

Thanks again to everyone that contributed to this thread and to those who created a badass machine that hands down a must have if doing a lot of commercial carpets.

 

[floorguy]

wellll shit.....

looking at these pics sheds A LOT of light on the matter.....

yes that job was perfect for Cimex/encap.....

would have helped had we seen pics before.....When you talked about "residue" or what ever it was...I had a completely different pic in my head....

as usual....to much thinking made it harder then it had to be