There's been allot of talk about different rinses

[BIG WOOD]

And it's quite confusing to me.

I've seen posts about:

Powder detergents
Powder emulsifiers
Liquid emulsifiers
Alkaline butyl rinses (might be the same as liquid emulsifiers)
Acid rinses

I know when to use my acid rinse, but why is there a need to have all the different alkaline rinses. And IS there a need? Under what conditions do we need to use a certain alkaline rinse? No mumbo jumbo!!! Just give me the dumbed down version. I don't have a chemist degree.

Also, if we buy all those different alkaline rinses, what TYPE of prespray partners together with the rinse to give it the best performance? Powder Enzyme, Powder butyl/phosphate, Heavy Citrus high ph, etc. ?

I was playing with powder emulsifier last week, and it was nothing to brag about on carpet and trashed upholstery. So as of now, that's off my list. Back to acid rinse for me.

 

[Hack Attack]

My take is that rinses are like presprays some are better than others but they are all similar.

I run an acid rinse on probably 80% my jobs

2 different alkaline rinses, one for greasy restaurants/dive bars other one where the rule book is ignored doing trashed wall to wall wool

 

[hogjowl]

Just ignore Matt.
Obviously, he’s slow right now.

 

[Mikey P]

ICE for everything but restaurants and shit pits.

Prochem All Fiber or any ol emulsifier if your not worried about residues


Cant get much more southern than that.

 

[Hack Attack]

Im slow its nearly 1am thursday morning cant sleep

 

[Bob Pruitt]

I use the Butler alkaline rinse primarily and keep their acid rinse in the van as well but rarely have used it. Happy with results.

 

[steve_64]

Emulsifiers speed up the removal of the prespray in greasy restaurants and make it look a little better with less effort. I also use emulsifiers on empty apartments when I don't prespray.

Acid rinse for better residential jobs or just soft water depending on job and what I want to accomplish.

 

[Nomad74]

Pureforce All fiber acid rinse. Try it and love it. 16 oz per 5gal metered at 2 GPH. Makes my van smell fresh also.

 

[Newman]

Use water to rinse, simple enough.

"The only thing we leave behind is just a bit of moisture after our pure fresh water rinse"

 

[J Scott W]

Emulsifiers basically aid in getting oils and grease into the solution. So, that when you extract the water, the oily soils come with it. Emulsifiers are intended for the heaviest areas of grease and oil. They also provide some cleaning improvement. Mostly used for heavy commercial soils, especially restaurants. They are sometimes used instead of prespray.

Acid rinse helps flush out particle soils and sometimes water based soils. The balance the pH of the carpet fiber when they are used after an alkaline prespray. This tends to improve the life of carpet dyes, especially those used for nylon and wool, keep the colors bright and even. They also make the carpet feel softer. great for residential use or someplace else where the carpet might get walked on barefoot. Some, like Flex Ice also increase the cleaning performance.

Alkaline rinses help flush out water-based soils, old detergent residues and some particle soils. Usually by the presence of phosphates in the formula that suspend the detergent residue and solid particles. As emulsifiers do with oils, phosphate does with solid particles and detergent.

Phosphates are also in some acid rinses. This makes those acid rinse products good for flushing a wide-spectrum of soils.

Alkalines are more for cleaning. Acids are more for flushing and leaving less residue. But there are cross-overs.

Powder or liquid is mostly personal preference. Powders may be more economical. Liquids more convenient.

 

[Mikey P]

Pureforce All fiber acid rinse. Try it and love it. 16 oz per 5gal metered at 2 GPH. Makes my van smell fresh also.

Does glugging a bottle of Channel#5 into a contruction site outhose help?

 

[Tom Forsythe]

Start with soft water and every rinse on the market will work better!! Do not judge any rinse until you use it with soft water. You will use less rinse and get better results. WATER QUALITY IS THE FIRST STEP...

 

[BIG WOOD]

I use the Butler alkaline rinse primarily and keep their acid rinse in the van as well but rarely have used it. Happy with results.

Is it a detergent rinse?

 

[BIG WOOD]

Emulsifiers basically aid in getting oils and grease into the solution. So, that when you extract the water, the oily soils come with it. Emulsifiers are intended for the heaviest areas of grease and oil. They also provide some cleaning improvement. Mostly used for heavy commercial soils, especially restaurants. They are sometimes used instead of prespray.

Acid rinse helps flush out particle soils and sometimes water based soils. The balance the pH of the carpet fiber when they are used after an alkaline prespray. This tends to improve the life of carpet dyes, especially those used for nylon and wool, keep the colors bright and even. They also make the carpet feel softer. great for residential use or someplace else where the carpet might get walked on barefoot. Some, like Flex Ice also increase the cleaning performance.

Alkaline rinses help flush out water-based soils, old detergent residues and some particle soils. Usually by the presence of phosphates in the formula that suspend the detergent residue and solid particles. As emulsifiers do with oils, phosphate does with solid particles and detergent.

Phosphates are also in some acid rinses. This makes those acid rinse products good for flushing a wide-spectrum of soils.

Alkalines are more for cleaning. Acids are more for flushing and leaving less residue. But there are cross-overs.

Powder or liquid is mostly personal preference. Powders may be more economical. Liquids more convenient.

Thanks Scott for breaking it down. What circumstances would you choose a detergent rinse over an emulsifier?

 

[Cleanworks]

I use primarily, alkaline rinses. Have been doing that for years. Metering a properly diluted extraction detergent through the wand, improves my cleaning performance and removes more prespray than rinsing with water in my opinion. Pay attention to your dilution ratios and cut back when using soft water. Most of my business is repeat business. I don't have any problem with crunchy carpets and testing the pH of a carpet when I am done, it is always close to neutral. The type of soils that we are removing are acidic in nature and need a alkaline product to remove them. You don't need a super duper, nuclear cleaner, just something around 9-10 ph. Guys who use portables regularly know having a detergent in the tank cleans better than not having it. Might not be as apparent on hot powerful truckmounts.

 

[John Olson]

Here is a test for the water only guys. Mix up a cup of pre spray. Then a cup of just water and a cup of water with your choice of acid rines. (I have my favorite but any of the top brands will all be close) Dip a finger in the prespray cup then into the just water cup, feel the slime on your finger. Now use the other hand and do the same with the rinse. This is how Angela Rojo got me to start accepting the guys with PHD behind their name knew more than
the guy with a high school education when it came to chemistry. I was 100% anti anything other than water, why? because i didn't use anything but water to rinse the soap off in the shower how would rinsing one chemical off with another chemical leave less chemical? Science...DUH!

 

[Nomad74]

@scottw is the man. I’m printing out his last post and taping it to my dashboard.

 

[Jim Pemberton]

An additional thought:

If you clean natural fiber upholstery with your truck mount, an acid rinse is the preferred product to have running through your system. You shortcut the need to switch products if you are using an acid for carpet as well, at least for that day.

You might want to schedule your "natural fiber fabric runs" on different days than your "rental property and restaurant runs" if you are thinking of switching back and forth.

One last thought while I'm on the subject:

Acid detergents (Flex Ice and numerous liquid products) are safer than alkaline detergents, and often work very well.

However, do NOT rely on them to prevent browning on white cotton furniture, or sensitive dyes.

 

[Mark Saiger]

Pureforce All fiber acid rinse. Try it and love it. 16 oz per 5gal metered at 2 GPH. Makes my van smell fresh also.

Do you know the pH on this product? I am just curious as I've course have not had the opportunity to try it. Thanks

 

[Nomad74]

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Do you know the pH on this product? I am just curious as I've course have not had the opportunity to try it. Thanks

I forget. I’ll look it up. I accidentally bought a cas of all Fiber rinse, not the acid so I’m using that today. I think it’s around 3

 

[SamIam]

Pureforce All fiber acid rinse. Try it and love it. 16 oz per 5gal metered at 2 GPH. Makes my van smell fresh also.

Ya it’s got a lot of the all fiber deep clean punch going on acid with punch!

4.5 ph rinse well smell purty, makes the stinky truck smell better to

 

[J Scott W]

Thanks Scott for breaking it down. What circumstances would you choose a detergent rinse over an emulsifier?

The difference is mainly marketing terminology. Most rinses have some detergent or surfactant included. Choose for the other factors you want.

 

[Newman]

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Here is a test for the water only guys. Mix up a cup of pre spray. Then a cup of just water and a cup of water with your choice of acid rines. (I have my favorite but any of the top brands will all be close) Dip a finger in the prespray cup then into the just water cup, feel the slime on your finger. Now use the other hand and do the same with the rinse. This is how Angela Rojo got me to start accepting the guys with PHD behind their name knew more than
the guy with a high school education when it came to chemistry. I was 100% anti anything other than water, why? because i didn't use anything but water to rinse the soap off in the shower how would rinsing one chemical off with another chemical leave less chemical? Science...DUH!

Stick yur fanger in 190* water at 400 PSI and report back.

 

[ruff]

I do not think that an acid rinse with detergency (like Ice) will leave less residue than a good alkaline rinse with detergency. So that should not be the deciding factor. Also some acids will leave plenty of residue.

In my experience, alkaline rinses leave less soil in the carpet and remove more of the pre-spray. And with some of the "soap free" rinses out there, residue is close to none.

Jim, it is really easy to carry a dedicated jug for various cleaning situations. I carry 3. Procyon, Acid rinse with detergent (One Earth Rug & Upholstery cleaner) and a detergent free acid rinse (FabSet) for some situations with upholstery and rugs. All I do is switch between them as needed and a quick flush of what's in the hoses.

 

[Jimmy L]

THAT'S IT NOW I'M FREAKING ALL CONFUSED AND MY HEAD HURTS!

 

[Cleanworks]

THAT'S IT NOW I'M FREAKING ALL CONFUSED AND MY HEAD HURTS!

Glad to hear you're back to normal Jimmy.

 

[sassyotto]

cut and pasted on the thread titled *diffusiophoresis* on March 23

way back when, I tried going without an emulsifier and found that it cleaned just as well as with one. Surprised the heck out of me.

The plus side is that it seemed the carpet stayed clean longer too.

I liked it so much that I took the chem pump off my water pump. That was years ago.

At least now I know why it works!

Thanks for the post!

 

[Total_Rookie]

R/O water for most... Alkaline for some, and acid for pee pee.

 

[Total_Rookie]

Does glugging a bottle of Channel#5 into a contruction site outhose help?

I take it you no likey likey the powered force?

 

[Jim Morrison]

Use water to rinse, simple enough.

Totally agree, we try to remove as much chemical as possible, not introduce more.