bob vawter
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Wth STARTED all this....?
There's been allot of talk about different rinses
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Hack Attack
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someone started talking bout emulsification! keep up
Hack Attack
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Likewise going off memory cos I've got no idea where my standard manual is (AS/NZS3733:1995) no approved prespray is over 10pH on any fibre unless doing lets forget the rules restorative clean
hogjowl
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Don’t waste energy trying to keep Bob in the conversation.
It’s pointless.
It’s pointless.
Jim Pemberton
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The history of how pH has been taught for the thirty some years since the stain resistant nylon revolution has been cringeworthy and it's still creating discussions like this.
The pH numbers only tell part of the story, as they don't express any measurement of total alkalinity. Nor does the fact that an acid treatment was used mean that residue won't exist, as neutralization does not mean that surfactant residues have necessarily been removed.
Jim Smith has shared some of the best information written on total alkalinity, and Tom Forsythe on water hardness and rinsing.
The pH numbers only tell part of the story, as they don't express any measurement of total alkalinity. Nor does the fact that an acid treatment was used mean that residue won't exist, as neutralization does not mean that surfactant residues have necessarily been removed.
Jim Smith has shared some of the best information written on total alkalinity, and Tom Forsythe on water hardness and rinsing.
Hack Attack
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I'm assuming that all carpet chem manufacterers assume as do other chem suppliers from other industrys, that all water has a pH of 7 and is deionised
But thats the lab world not the real world
and I get that pH isnt the whole story but the higher the pH the harder to rinse is what I was always taught
therefore always run a rinse lower in pH than the prespray to help rinse residue not necessarily neutralise pH
But thats the lab world not the real world
and I get that pH isnt the whole story but the higher the pH the harder to rinse is what I was always taught
therefore always run a rinse lower in pH than the prespray to help rinse residue not necessarily neutralise pH
Every job is a lesson and every floor tells a story. Be willing to learn and to read and you can reach your own conclusion. I will give you a story. I was cleaning my own carpet and when I finished their was a carpet remant by the door. The prespray was already put away so I cleaned it with just an emulsifier through the machine. It was gone over multiple times with the wand and was very clean. As time went on I noticed that the rest of the carpet was looking dirty but not the remnant. So what was the lesson, emulsifiers will clean the carpet but not in an effecient manner. Presprays will clean the carpet but need to be rinsed out well. So what gets the job done the most effecient and the most thorough?
bob vawter
Grassy Knoller
And not one word on optical brightners ....which i believe are peculiar to higher Ph based product....i would recuse my knowledge of chems over to Jim....as he is the expert......
So Jim.....am i off my noodle....?
So Jim.....am i off my noodle....?
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hogjowl
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I don’t know what that means. Is that like a high-5?
Hack Attack
Member
you don't know either!? I thought it was one of them USA gang signs?
Cleanworks
Moderator
Its the gang of five up yours.
Hack Attack
Member
see now I don't know if your being funny or serious? Humor doesn't always cross borders 
bob vawter
Grassy Knoller
it means he has no frickin idea of what im talking about......!
Cleanworks
Moderator
Its seriously funny.see now I don't know if your being funny or serious? Humor doesn't always cross borders
ruff
Member
Ron is from the same commonwealth, Dan. Surely, beside love of queen, you share the same humor. Here is a shared commonwealth test for you two:
A woman gets on a bus with her baby. The driver says, “Ugh! That’s the ugliest baby I’ve ever seen.”
The woman stalks off to the rear of the bus and sits down. She turns to the man sitting next to her and says, “The driver just insulted me!”
The man says, “You go and give him a telling off. I’ll hold your monkey for you.”
A woman gets on a bus with her baby. The driver says, “Ugh! That’s the ugliest baby I’ve ever seen.”
The woman stalks off to the rear of the bus and sits down. She turns to the man sitting next to her and says, “The driver just insulted me!”
The man says, “You go and give him a telling off. I’ll hold your monkey for you.”
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Cleanworks
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Nobody knows what Bawb's talking about.
bob vawter
Grassy Knoller
you gonna be at Minn?
Hack Attack
Member
we both share the love of eh!? along with the aussies
So, speaking of rinses. I worked all day in the rain. Had to use some Acid rinse and SaigerCide on a mildew smelling carpet. Gave it a rub-a-dub with the 15” CRB and let it dwell for about 30 minutes. Seemed to do the trick. I’ll call the customer in a couple of days and make sure it’s all good.
The only thing that concerns me is there was no visible sign of mildew except for an odor in one spot. The odor was omitting from an invisible spot about the size of penny. She could smell it from across the room. I could also when I got on my knees and put my nose to it. The lady is preggers so her senses are heightened. She said she bought the carpet at Home Depot and it was marketed to her as “Life Proof” with a sealed backing. I admonished her that I would do what I could but if there’s a leak coming up from the subfloor, she may need to pull the carpet and pad.
After doing four jobs in the rain, I rewarded myself with a Baconator.
Oh, and I cleaned more boat seats tonight.
The only thing that concerns me is there was no visible sign of mildew except for an odor in one spot. The odor was omitting from an invisible spot about the size of penny. She could smell it from across the room. I could also when I got on my knees and put my nose to it. The lady is preggers so her senses are heightened. She said she bought the carpet at Home Depot and it was marketed to her as “Life Proof” with a sealed backing. I admonished her that I would do what I could but if there’s a leak coming up from the subfloor, she may need to pull the carpet and pad.
After doing four jobs in the rain, I rewarded myself with a Baconator.
Oh, and I cleaned more boat seats tonight.
Hack Attack
Member
I hate chasing mouldy smells, had 1 with nothing visible but lift the carpet and over half the pad was done. It was in an old historic cob cottage and the ground over the years had risen to the height of the floor. Actually the cottage had probably sunk but nothing visible until lifted the carpet
Cleanworks
Moderator
Thinking on it. I'll have to see if I can an app on my phone to translate the Bawb speak.
bob vawter
Grassy Knoller
i'll bring some herbal induced chocolate chip cookies that may be of help?
if you ain't too askerrt!
i'm really looking forward to this fest
it could be the very best one yet...............did you hear..
I'M SPEAKING...
i've really never done this before...but how hard could speaking to a group of overly plump carpet cleaners that are doing it wrong...be?
and the best part is meeting all the people that i already met before
of course nothing could top the dog fiasco in Pittsburgh
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Dolly Llama
Number 5
who was the cueball that spawned the #5 ?
for those asking it about it, years ago there was a member that demonstrated a propensity to be a clueless mOOk .
For some reason (can't remember what reason) the "#5" got tag'd to be synonymous with "retarded"..... and him
..L.T.A.
for those asking it about it, years ago there was a member that demonstrated a propensity to be a clueless mOOk .
For some reason (can't remember what reason) the "#5" got tag'd to be synonymous with "retarded"..... and him
..L.T.A.
Mikey P
Administrator
That was me...
But I don't recall the details, I'm sure Free does
But I don't recall the details, I'm sure Free does
Desk Jockey
Member
I never knew what number five was....does that mean I is one?
Sierra Clean Care
Member
Bawb, just throw in lots of ‘AND AH’s’ you’ll be fine....
Sierra Clean Care
Member
While your at it, a few ‘AND THEN AH’..... like a BOSS Bawb.....
