Larry Cobb
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Our customers will get the improved parts
with their new CX-15's . . .
with their new CX-15's . . .
the CX15 arrives..
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mmarkovic
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After producing the first generation Turbo hard surface tile tool I was asked to use it on a commercial level loop at Block Buster Video hesitant I agreed as long as I wouldn't be liable for any damage to the carpet. It did a crack job on really embedded grunge.
So my take on this whole concept of pressure washing carpet yarn with spinning sprayjets is you'd better read the yarn before you go to far. This kind of water delivery can flower a cut pile carpet in a nano second if pressure temperature and travel speed is not just right. Of course this would apply to any wand including a Stryker Operator skill and experience better get on game fast or you're going to eat a customer's carpet.
Another element no one understands and have not mentioned is that a rotating union allows the perimeter where the jets do the business to dwell just a bit longer at the sides of this tool just as it does on any hard surface Turbo tool does.
For hard floors that's not much of a problem in fact I have taught that this is the sweet spot for any "spinner " tool to target the grout lines when moving forward with the tool but for this technique to be used on a carpet you'll get heavier deliver at a longer duration on the left side and on the right side. This would translate to be either a cleaner stripe at those locations or a flowered yarn stripe at those locations.
In summary : we're treading on some really delicate ground here and with the new finer denier carpets being produced texture damage is completely possible.
With the tougher glue down or closed cell foam bonded commercial carpets I say let her rip! On the question of travel speed and the "Spiral Effect" I've always said the larger the spin diameter the slower you must travel in order to not have miss hit spiral striping. Since this applies to hard surface spinner tools it would apply even more to carpet since the rate of spin would be slower due to lower pressure typically used in carpet cleaning. This lower pressure and slower spin means slower travel in order to prevent the spiral.
In my final analysis this is a loop glue down or bonded foam backing carpet cleaning tool. I'll throw in a Berber since the yarn has little chance of jet distortion. I'll also make note that in none of the videos everyone is raving about do I see a final groom out in order to evaluate even clean path or any yarn distortion from the jets.
Let's not get so excited before we do better and more focused examination. And what of the higher concentration of water delivery from a jet that is 1/2" away from the carpet (albeit traveling at 900 to 1500 rpm) since you're traveling slower than a standard wand in order to prevent spiral cleaning you may be penetrating more moisture into the backing.
Much to examine still before the jury deliberates on this one.
So my take on this whole concept of pressure washing carpet yarn with spinning sprayjets is you'd better read the yarn before you go to far. This kind of water delivery can flower a cut pile carpet in a nano second if pressure temperature and travel speed is not just right. Of course this would apply to any wand including a Stryker Operator skill and experience better get on game fast or you're going to eat a customer's carpet.
Another element no one understands and have not mentioned is that a rotating union allows the perimeter where the jets do the business to dwell just a bit longer at the sides of this tool just as it does on any hard surface Turbo tool does.
For hard floors that's not much of a problem in fact I have taught that this is the sweet spot for any "spinner " tool to target the grout lines when moving forward with the tool but for this technique to be used on a carpet you'll get heavier deliver at a longer duration on the left side and on the right side. This would translate to be either a cleaner stripe at those locations or a flowered yarn stripe at those locations.
In summary : we're treading on some really delicate ground here and with the new finer denier carpets being produced texture damage is completely possible.
With the tougher glue down or closed cell foam bonded commercial carpets I say let her rip! On the question of travel speed and the "Spiral Effect" I've always said the larger the spin diameter the slower you must travel in order to not have miss hit spiral striping. Since this applies to hard surface spinner tools it would apply even more to carpet since the rate of spin would be slower due to lower pressure typically used in carpet cleaning. This lower pressure and slower spin means slower travel in order to prevent the spiral.
In my final analysis this is a loop glue down or bonded foam backing carpet cleaning tool. I'll throw in a Berber since the yarn has little chance of jet distortion. I'll also make note that in none of the videos everyone is raving about do I see a final groom out in order to evaluate even clean path or any yarn distortion from the jets.
Let's not get so excited before we do better and more focused examination. And what of the higher concentration of water delivery from a jet that is 1/2" away from the carpet (albeit traveling at 900 to 1500 rpm) since you're traveling slower than a standard wand in order to prevent spiral cleaning you may be penetrating more moisture into the backing.
Much to examine still before the jury deliberates on this one.
Larry Cobb
Member
Mark;
Thanks for your input . . .
The jets being used (15 degree) are not as narrow angle as the original Turbo . . .
This lessens the "spiral effect" . . .
Fine denier carpet fiber should tolerate the wider angle on the residential spraybar.
Since you were a co-designer of the original Turbo, are there any patent issues ??
Larry
Thanks for your input . . .
The jets being used (15 degree) are not as narrow angle as the original Turbo . . .
This lessens the "spiral effect" . . .
Fine denier carpet fiber should tolerate the wider angle on the residential spraybar.
Since you were a co-designer of the original Turbo, are there any patent issues ??
Larry
Larry Cobb
Member
I think with a little tweaking
it will do a very good job on residential.
Larry
it will do a very good job on residential.
Larry
Bonedrycarpet
Member
Do they come out easily? Might make it look groomed
dealtimeman
Everyday is Saturday.
What did it look like groomed?
Can you go back and get some pics?
Can you go back and get some pics?
thecleaningdude
Member
I have what I'm sure is a dumb question - a question only a VLM guy would ask:
Since it's so similar to a spinner, can you use this tool and tile and grout as well?
Since it's so similar to a spinner, can you use this tool and tile and grout as well?
thecleaningdude
Member
Mikey and Justin,
Physically speaking, how would you compare the ease of use of the CX-15 vs. Rotary Extraction vs. Zipper?
Physically speaking, how would you compare the ease of use of the CX-15 vs. Rotary Extraction vs. Zipper?
To be honest after I saw the crop circles on the cut Pyle I went out and grabbed a rotary and redid the room with that. After using that and I groomed everything out I could just barely see a circle here or there and only cause I was really looking for it. Idk how well it would have come out if I just used a groomer. I did do a berber in the kitchen with the cx-15 and it cleaned fine with no issues. As far as ease of use goes you don't get much easier to use. It's very light so easy on and off the truck. Easy set up. Easy bar changes. The zipper and rotary take more effort and set up time then the cx-15
Mikey P
Administrator
In a home?
A RE will be easier due to its maneuverability
Not enough time with a Zipper, especially the wand handle option to say.
A RE will be easier due to its maneuverability
Not enough time with a Zipper, especially the wand handle option to say.
Mikey P
Administrator
I'm seeing the same as Justin
If I run into a few grungy areas on low pile I'll reach for the CX.
Thick?
The RE
If I run into a few grungy areas on low pile I'll reach for the CX.
Thick?
The RE
Larry Cobb
Member
I've had a couple of customers ask the same question . . .
With a jet change, and a few more extraction passes . . .
It can be use on Tile & Grout . . .
HydroForce also agreed.
Larry
dealtimeman
Everyday is Saturday.
Using it on tile and grout will be great for distributors as they will sell more parts for the unit like the glide and any other wear item that will be evident from using it for non intended and non design for tasks.
Jim Martin
Supportive Member
I cant see how it would be a very good tool for tile and grout....because of the hard surface..it will not set down and vacuum up the water like your typical tile tool.........if I remember correct...it only pulls a vacuum from the top edge.....
SamIam
Member
It just reminds me of really badly soiled area's where I take my vac hose off and flood the carpet back and forth then extract with a lot more water.
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I don't see it replacing a spinner either. As Jim said there's no vacuum except the front slot and by the time u pulled it back to where the vacuum slot is pulling water the water would have spread out wider then that point causing excess water everywhere.
GeneMiller
Member
It would drive me crazy only cleaning one direction. As far as the massive air flow , I've always drilled out my glides to get better air flow. Had more than one tech who couldn't push my wand with a glide. Didn't do it to the zipper it didn't need it.
Gene
Gene
Any updates on heavily soiled commercial?
Any estimated production rates per CX15 per soil level (low soil, med, heavy)?
Does the carpet need to be crb-eed w/ resonators (or a good vacuum) prior to using the CX15 so it won't clog?
Any estimated production rates per CX15 per soil level (low soil, med, heavy)?
Does the carpet need to be crb-eed w/ resonators (or a good vacuum) prior to using the CX15 so it won't clog?
Mikey P
Administrator
I have a commercial job for it next week.
Took it out to do a side by side on a very dirty Berber today against the HOSS700
Took it out to do a side by side on a very dirty Berber today against the HOSS700
Mark Saiger
Mr Happy!
Thanks for the Videos guys.
Appreciate the time to do this!
Appreciate the time to do this!
Ralph Pastorelli
Member
From watching the second video I would say the tool is not that great on nasty carpets, I would want something that works great on all types of rugs and soiling and with out the rings. Still leaning toward Zipper!
Mikey P
Administrator
The Zippy aint going to clean that particular situation any better.
a Rotary Extractor is a must have. Point.
a Rotary Extractor is a must have. Point.
Looks like residential the RE is still king for heavily soiled carpets.
Has a comparison already been done for heavily soiled CGD with the CX15 vs Zipper vs a RE?
I've seen the one posted in previous threads, just trying to get a sense for productivity on heavily soiled situations.
Has a comparison already been done for heavily soiled CGD with the CX15 vs Zipper vs a RE?
I've seen the one posted in previous threads, just trying to get a sense for productivity on heavily soiled situations.
J Scott W
Member
Thanks for the videos, Mike.
Here are a few thoughts from folks here at Bridgewater who tested the CX-15 including on their own home carpets.
On level loop glue down, heavily soiled carpet in a print shop, the CX-15 out cleaned even the rotary extractors we compared with it. It really shines on heavily soiled commercial type carpet. On deep pile with very heavy soil, the lower pressure on angle of spray from the residential bar did not get as deeply into the pile. There was some soil left deep in the pile that was removed by a rotary extractor, but it took a few slower passes with the rotary to out clean the CX-15 on this deep soil in thick pile.
When doing residential cleaning on cut pile the crop circles can be diminished but are difficult to prevent totality. However I have found (as have others who used it residentially) that the crop circles disappeared when the carpet dried or was groomed. This is not to say that holding the trigger on and not moving the tool will cause a more permanent circle – it will. But starting to move back as you pull the trigger or lifting the front, triggering, the putting the front back down and starting back pull all in one motion will very much diminish circles. When I cleaned my own carpets it took me a few tries to get good at this but then I cleaned a good volume of carpet with no remaining rings.
I cleaned two different types at my house. The frieze/shag had no circles. My short cut pile did have some but they disappeared upon drying. During the first second that pressure is put to the jets, the bar is turning slower, the jet spray is narrower and thus can leave a small circle but it is NOT fiber damage (unless they leave it in one place). I speculate that the carpet is slightly more damp in the starting ring.
When they cleaned XXXXXX’s carpets at home they also worried about the rings but the rings also disappeared on drying. He had several types of carpet in his home.
Here are a few thoughts from folks here at Bridgewater who tested the CX-15 including on their own home carpets.
On level loop glue down, heavily soiled carpet in a print shop, the CX-15 out cleaned even the rotary extractors we compared with it. It really shines on heavily soiled commercial type carpet. On deep pile with very heavy soil, the lower pressure on angle of spray from the residential bar did not get as deeply into the pile. There was some soil left deep in the pile that was removed by a rotary extractor, but it took a few slower passes with the rotary to out clean the CX-15 on this deep soil in thick pile.
When doing residential cleaning on cut pile the crop circles can be diminished but are difficult to prevent totality. However I have found (as have others who used it residentially) that the crop circles disappeared when the carpet dried or was groomed. This is not to say that holding the trigger on and not moving the tool will cause a more permanent circle – it will. But starting to move back as you pull the trigger or lifting the front, triggering, the putting the front back down and starting back pull all in one motion will very much diminish circles. When I cleaned my own carpets it took me a few tries to get good at this but then I cleaned a good volume of carpet with no remaining rings.
I cleaned two different types at my house. The frieze/shag had no circles. My short cut pile did have some but they disappeared upon drying. During the first second that pressure is put to the jets, the bar is turning slower, the jet spray is narrower and thus can leave a small circle but it is NOT fiber damage (unless they leave it in one place). I speculate that the carpet is slightly more damp in the starting ring.
When they cleaned XXXXXX’s carpets at home they also worried about the rings but the rings also disappeared on drying. He had several types of carpet in his home.
Mikey P
Administrator
I concur.
Ron Lippold
RIP
Looks like a cool tool but there is no way it will out clean my 30 flow Zipper. Last week at the casino we cleaned 20280 sq ft. We have a 4 hr window usually stop wanding at 745 because they open at 8. We start dragging in at 4 am and start wanding at 421. We drain a 140 gallon tank every 45 minutes.
Desk Jockey
Member
Ron is the Zipper easier on you than the wand was? Congrats!
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