This is the end....

[ronbeatty]

Mark, This is clearly a Butler problem, they need to step up and take care of it. Ask them to have their transport company pick it up and return the whole truck to them.

 

[ronbeatty]

Call your dealer and demand complete copies of all warranty repairs made to GM. That would be the place to start, make sure to get serial numbers of replaced parts.

 

[steve_64]

But butler doesn't touch the transmission do they? Obviously i don't know much about all of this but I can see lots of finger pointing that won't help mark without a lawyer. That would be my next phone call.

 

[FB7777]

lawyer is only good if he knows what tree to bark up


I'm about ready to drive and hour and half and give Butler a piece of Marks mind!

 

[icleancarpetz]

Vasectomy. He's having it reversed.

how does one sow the nuts back on??

 

[FB7777]

Vasectomy

Not castration

 

[steve_64]

Water pump?

Just trying to recgonize the noise.

 

[bob vawter]

Everytime I hear it....I say to myself
....I've heard that before. ....

I'm really gonna kick myself once you find out

 

[Dolly Llama]

But butler doesn't touch the transmission do they? Obviously i don't know much about all of this but I can see lots of finger pointing that won't help mark without a lawyer. That would be my next phone call.

nah
Mark didn't buy a van and send it to Butler
Butler bought the van , installed their TM/did their mods and sold a "packaged product" to Mark.

disclaimers about who handles warranty issues on which parts of the "package" become irrelevant when GM can't/won't fix the problem .

goes right to what I said a month ago....Butler ultimately holds the bag on this .
THEY bought a bad van GM can't/won't fix .
THEY sold it to Mark
THEY'RE ultimately responsible

..L.T.A

 

[Vincent Feehan]

Run it till it dies, then have them tow it in, how does it sound with butler on ???

 

[Shane T]

Since I don't have a stethoscope I go under the van with the handle of a screw driver to my ear and put the business end to different areas and try to narrow exactly where the noise is originating from.

 

[KevinD]

I would

Run it till it dies, then have them tow it in, how does it sound with butler on ???

That's what I told him. Run it till it blows.
At least then they will know what to fix.

 

[bob vawter]

Since I don't have a stethoscope I go under the van with the handle of a screw driver to my ear and put the business end to different areas and try to narrow exactly where the noise is originating from.

Stethoscope. ..Harbor Freight. ... $5.95

 

[Shane T]

I would


That's what I told him. Run it till it blows.
At least then they will know what to fix.

I wouldn't want to breakdown in the middle of a full day like Mark usually has especially in northen MN at this time of year.

 

[Mark Saiger]

Run it till it dies, then have them tow it in, how does it sound with butler on ???

Makes same noise with Butler running especially in cold or on angle /slope

 

[Mark Saiger]

Run it till it dies, then have them tow it in, how does it sound with butler on ???

I would


That's what I told him. Run it till it blows.
At least then they will know what to fix.

If I run it and it blew in a customers driveway I would also assume liability because there is a known problem.

Not taking the chance.

Keeping liability with others

And responsibility with others

 

[Shane T]

Wondering, if you move the shifter from park to drive to reverse etc, are the noises affected?

 

[Mark Saiger]

Wondering, if you move the shifter from park to drive to reverse etc, are the noises affected?

No. Seems to be the same and also we were doing some power braking on ice and snow in a parking lot and found it to happen in forward but not in reverse

 

[bob vawter]

Sounds lik a bolt has come off and is being banged around in an enclosed place....
Does the banging increase as the RPM go up?

 

[FredC]

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Made the call and got no where but asked to wait another 2 to 3 business days.

Nope!

Here was my social media post and also just took unlisted YouTube videos to public.....

OK people. Need recommendations for the best place for GM mechanics and warranty. This is after our 6th payment and 3rd transmission... And it has made no money but cost us money! I want honest opinions where

Loose flex plate bolts...possibly cracked ......

 

[steve_64]

Sounds like pressurized water hitting a fan blade and a bearing going out. But I'm sure that was checked right?

Had that happen but the coolant never hit the ground. It was actually the van 8 have now. Happened on another vehicle too.

Could explain the angle thing and the temp thing.

Hard to believe they couldn't figure this out.

 

[bob vawter]

Fred's right it does sound as though a crank shafts flex plate bolt threads have stripped out and allowing the bolt to fall back out....

 

[steve_64]

nah
Mark didn't buy a van and send it to Butler
Butler bought the van , installed their TM/did their mods and sold a "packaged product" to Mark.

disclaimers about who handles warranty issues on which parts of the "package" become irrelevant when GM can't/won't fix the problem .

goes right to what I said a month ago....Butler ultimately holds the bag on this .
THEY bought a bad van GM can't/won't fix .
THEY sold it to Mark
THEY'RE ultimately responsible

..L.T.A

If butler bought it from gm then gm should still hold the warranty right? Unless the installation voids the warranty. Then gm wouldn't have touched it without holding mark responsible for the bill.

 

[FredC]

Fred's right ....

 

[Nomad74]

He already had the flex plate replaced.

 

[FredC]

He already had the flex plate replaced.

And?

See bawbs post

That is something flex/starter/converter related

And it sounds like loose flex bolts......so I’d be looking at the crank if the plate/bolts have been replaced

 

[Nomad74]

And?

Still clunking.

 

[FredC]

Still clunking.

No...I meant how does that mean it isn’t loose flexplate...see edit



But it sounds like everything has been replaced in that area.....guess the problem is solved....

 

[bob vawter]

AGAIN....a flex plate bolt has stripped threads and probably feels tight when torqued down BUT they will throw the bolt out if threads are striped at all or no thread lock (blue)
Was applied. ...
Some dolt on the line stripped the threads

NEEDS NEW CRANKSHAFT! !!
As I would never Helicoil it


Balls on a chopping block sure!

 

[steve_64]

Starter could need shims too. Had that happen before. You can pull it out and put it back 8n dozens of times and still have the that noise.