Prespray residue on furniture

[Desk Jockey]

Me? I don't recall that but then I do on very rare occassions pick on you.

 

[ruff]

All powder pre-sprays will leave a white residue on the container (I use HydroForce) and some liquid will get through the opening and leaves a whitish powder on container. I wipe (wash) it off as soon as it makes me look like I don't care about my "craft". Every six months.

That white powder, however seems like quite different from the yellow residue you're taking about. Is the yellow residue a powder or more like a yellow liquid (gel)?

 

[Paul Demers]

No, I suspect you're full of shit. You see, I believe the real difference between you and me, besides the fact that you are an arrogant ass, is that I am willing to share my production issues.

And as I have previously stated, if you are seriously saying that you and your employees don't spray baseboards and furniture legs on occasion, or that you or they walk around with a towel wiping them off, then I'm calling you a damn liar.

Sorry if I offended you Marty.

My only employee is my son-in-law who will be taking over the business one day. We clean for a lot of up-scale homes with expensive furniture.... so yes, we are vey careful and pay close attention when pre-spraying and do wipe over-spray off furniture legs with a towel. I guess I assumed that most good cleaners did also.

I don't think getting a mist of a water based detergent on expensive furniture is a good idea, whether it leaves a visible residue or not.

 

[hogjowl]

Listen to me carefully, as we have been talking about this for three pages.

IT'S A FREAKIN POWDER !

 

[ruff]

Then freaking use a towel you careless doof.

Most definitely not a crafts man. And do let us know if you can't make up your mind if the towel should be in the left or right back pocket. Mike will run a poll, as we are painfully aware that decisions are difficult for you.

 

[Mikey P]

Poor Larry...

 

[dgardner]

IT'S A FREAKIN POWDER !

What you are spraying is stuff dissolved in water, right? Is it still a powder at the point it exits your Hydroforce?

 

[ruff]

Hell no.
Marty sand blasts the carpet. It ain't his fault if his aim ain't true.

 

[dgardner]

I just sprayed a mahogany table in my office with the stuff to see what it looks like when it's dried.

So - whats it look like?

 

[Shane Deubell]

This is a craft huh?
30 years cant figure this one out...

Pretty sure jondon or interlink have the answer.

 

[hogjowl]

What you are spraying is stuff dissolved in water, right? Is it still a powder at the point it exits your Hydroforce?

I sometimes wonder why I bother asking some of you guys ANYTHING.

Yeah, skippy, my Hydroforce sprays powders.

Doesn't yours?

 

[Desk Jockey]

lets keep it up, that lump of coal in porkbutt's ahhs is nearly a diamond. That was a lump of coal, wasn't it?

 

[jcooper]

lets keep it up, that lump of coal in porkbutt's ahhs is nearly a diamond. That was a lump of coal, wasn't it?

Guy(Marty) starts one thread a month and this is what he gets???

I sometimes wonder why I bother asking some of you guys ANYTHING.

Bunch of ingrates!

 

[KevinL]

Marty, are you saying that it's still a powder when it comes out of the hydro? You do know you're suppose to add some water.

 

[hogjowl]

Marty, are you saying that it's still a powder when it comes out of the hydro? You do know you're suppose to add some water.

Have you ever seen a Hydroforce that sprays powder?

 

[Jim Pemberton]

Leaving some of the good natured kidding aside, this has been an interesting thread.

The issue of over spray is one of those "inconvenient truths" we don't like to talk about, but need to face. I've noticed in discussions regarding tile and grout cleaning that many of those specialists mop on their tile cleaner rather than spray it because of the risks involved in spraying appliances, baseboards, etc.

We can't mop a carpet, but it seems like there is a place for applying preconditioner without spraying it from a foot in the air.

Some product manufactures have discussed this issue with me because of the issue of respiratory irritation that exists with the way we apply our products now, which is actually a bigger concern that the one we are discussing here.

What are your thoughts?

 

[Paul Demers]

We should probably all be wearing one of those N35 surgical type masks when applying prespray. I always think that I am going to start doing so, but then don't. Maybe I will make this a New Year's resolution!

 

[Desk Jockey]

So are you suggesting a powered preconditioner that would agitate and apply your precondition at the same time?

or a low profile "drop spreader" type sprayer that would be a sprayer only?

 

[Jim Martin]

We should probably all be wearing one of those N35 surgical type masks when applying prespray. I always think that I am going to start doing so, but then don't. Maybe I will make this a New Year's resolution!

I really don't think this would go over well with the client...

how would you explane how save your pre spray is to them while breath like Darth Vader through a mask.........

 

[Desk Jockey]

N35 surgical type masks

N-95? If so those are particulate type masks, little help for vapor. You'd probably need a respirator and that might scare your clients.

 

[Jim Pemberton]

So are you suggesting a powered preconditioner that would agitate and apply your precondition at the same time?

or a low profile "drop spreader" type sprayer that would be a sprayer only?

Both would be good ideas. I'd love to see Jim Martin, Keith Studebaker, and some of the other inventive ones here share their thoughts.

One issue that always has concerned me is over wetting when applying preconditioner, regardless of the application method or device.

 

[Paul Demers]

N-95? If so those are particulate type masks, little help for vapor. You'd probably need a respirator and that might scare your clients.

3M site says N95 masks provide 95 percent filtration efficiency against solid and liquid aerosols that do not contain oils. I don't think these things would provide perfect protection, but I think they would help a lot!

As far as scaring customers, they are not usually in the rooms that I am pre-spraying. Plus, I think most folks would understand that even if you are using a completely "Green" nonhazardous cleaning solution, you would not want to be breathing it in while in aerosol form.....

 

[Desk Jockey]

I like the idea of it being uniform and less voc in the air to cause you issues with the client.

 

[Desk Jockey]

3M site says N95 masks provide 95 percent filtration efficiency against solid and liquid aerosols that do not contain oils.

We use N-95's a lot when dust particulate is high but I don't put much stock in them as real protection. At .50-$1.00 a piece I have little confidence in them.

A half-face or actually a full face respirator would be your best defense against vapors. I believe if you truly want to be safe you should even protect your eyes from exposure to the products we use daily.

 

[Paul Demers]

We use N-95's a lot when dust particulate is high but I don't put much stock in them as real protection. At .50-$1.00 a piece I have little confidence in them.

A half-face or actually a full face respirator would be your best defense against vapors. I believe if you truly want to be safe you should even protect your eyes from exposure to the products we use daily.

I will start using one for several jobs to get a feel for how effective they are. A good test would be when we spray close to an air vent without realizing the fan is on and the prespray flies up to our face.

 

[Desk Jockey]

Just put one on and see if you can smell the open concentrate jug.

Don't kill yourself to prove me wrong! If you need me to say "I'm wrong" and it will save your life, I can do it.
I tell my wife I'm wrong all the time to make her happy...even though I'm right.

J/K Paul appreciate your willingness to help!

 

[dgardner]

N-95? If so those are particulate type masks, little help for vapor.

In fact, I am told that particulate masks can actually absorb and concentrate certain solvents, and you could actually be making the situation worse in terms of what you are breathing.

 

[Jim Martin]

N-95? If so those are particulate type masks, little help for vapor. You'd probably need a respirator and that might scare your clients.

Will you hand them out to your clients as well....or just for yourself....

 

[Desk Jockey]

I am told that particulate masks can actually absorb and concentrate certain solvents

They don't have near the surface media that a cartridge mask would have. Plus with cartridges you can dispose of the the cartridge when you begin to smell vapor and replace them with new ones.

I don't like wearing a mask unless its required for protection but when I do I want it to be effective in protection. That's usually using a full face mask.

I would not suggest using one for preconditioning, it sends the wrong message and no matter how much you explain that you are exposed to the chems daily and they are only briefly and shouldn't be concerned....they will be concerned.

I think a device like Jim is suggesting is the real answer to the issue. It would control waste of product by delivering it only where need, provide better control of the spray and be much safer to work around. I think it would be a viable product.

 

[ruff]

I really don't think this would go over well with the client...

how would you explane how save your pre spray is to them while breath like Darth Vader through a mask.........

So, in other words, you'd rather make it 'look like' it is safe while breathing the stuff yourself and let them breathe it too.
Wow. Now, there's a solution! Talk about truth in behavior

I've been wearing the "Darth Vedar" for years without any issues. Most clients, you know, are reasonable intelligent people.
And it does not send the wrong message, just the opposite. I tell them that it is a safe cleaner and that I get exposed to it on a daily basis. I explain that it will be rinsed out and also ask them not to be in the room while I spray.

And here's the kicker, Jim: Most people actually appreciate it. They assume (rightfully) that if I demonstrate care (this time both for myself and them) it will also be manifested in everything else that I do for them. And it does!