Tom F and Jim will be so proud of me..

[DAT]

no talk of overcoming a speech impediment

...that makes sense, i was wondering about that when i was speech reading...

 

[Andy]

A cleaning standard should discuss the processes needed for cleaning carpet and at what point you would want a signed waiver to go beyond.
It should encompass the steps involved and why? Always answer the why.
1 pre-inspection - why?
2 Pre-vacuum, Why?
3 Pre-condition (spray) Why
4 Agitation, Why? How? Water pressure, or mechanical? What Type of machine can be used?
(some manufactures forbid the use of rotary machines)
What type of carpet (commercial or residential), (what kind of nap, level loop,
sculptured, cut pile, etc.) what kind of agitation.
5 Extraction (rinse) What psi at the machine,
with what type of carpet (synthetic or man made)
with what type of backing (action back, jute, pet guard, etc)
how many dry passes (could be addressed by regions or zones because of humidity)
Should fans be used (could be addressed by regions or zones because of humidity)
6 Grooming necessary or personal preference.

Your chemistry lesson in the standard should be limited to the Max ph for the type of carpet being cleaned (Nylon, Olefin, Poly, wool, pet)

 

[FB7777]

I’m just happy I made my money while we were still considered low skill workers like painters, maids and landscapers

next we will want to be regulated by state and federal


minimal knowledge and zero lawsuits



i must be one of the lucky ones

 

[Rick J]

Does reading this thread contribute to my CECs?

 

[Rick J]

Micelle--My Belle!!

 

[FB19087]

A cleaning standard should discuss the processes needed for cleaning carpet and at what point you would want a signed waiver to go beyond.
It should encompass the steps involved and why? Always answer the why.
1 pre-inspection - why?
2 Pre-vacuum, Why?
3 Pre-condition (spray) Why
4 Agitation, Why? How? Water pressure, or mechanical? What Type of machine can be used?
(some manufactures forbid the use of rotary machines)
What type of carpet (commercial or residential), (what kind of nap, level loop,
sculptured, cut pile, etc.) what kind of agitation.
5 Extraction (rinse) What psi at the machine,
with what type of carpet (synthetic or man made)
with what type of backing (action back, jute, pet guard, etc)
how many dry passes (could be addressed by regions or zones because of humidity)
Should fans be used (could be addressed by regions or zones because of humidity)
6 Grooming necessary or personal preference.

Your chemistry lesson in the standard should be limited to the Max ph for the type of carpet being cleaned (Nylon, Olefin, Poly, wool, pet)

so another vote for a training manual instead of a Standard

 

[Cleanworks]

so another vote for a training manual instead of s Standard

So who exactly is the standard for? What bearing should it have on carpet cleaners?

 

[FB19087]

Curious how many people in this thread have purchased any IICRC Standard?

 

[FB19087]

So who exactly is the standard for? What bearing should it have on carpet cleaners?

It should be a reference for everyone involved in the industry.......and outside when needed

It should, through "nerdiness", go beyond the knowledge used in the everyday life of a BDCC



It seems there is an attempt to fix a problem that doesn't exist. The information you all want is basically there. When you go to an IICRC class you don't learn everything in the standard. Again, you are taught in accordance with the standard.

Maybe there is a need for a manual/workbook/field guide but that should be separate from the standard itself

 

[Mikey P]

So who exactly is the standard for? What bearing should it have on carpet cleaners?

Lawyers...

 

[Mikey P]

Curious how many people in this thread have purchased any IICRC Standard?

Have you thought about adding them here in our Resource Center for download or purchase

 

[FB19087]

Have you thought about adding them here in our Resource Center for download or purchase

Standards

mikeysboard.com

at one time I had the s105 (free) also but it must have been lost in an update

 

[Rick J]

Curious how many people in this thread have purchased any IICRC Standard?

I have one somewhere , buried , from years and years ago LOL. hoping maybe keep monitoring This Thread and Mikey will end up posting the new one, and its entirety and I would not need to purchase a new one LOL

guessing it must be in a file cabinet somewhere along with all of the patches from the II CRC that I got and never used

 

[Andy]

so another vote for a training manual instead of a Standard

A standard is something that should be able to be measured to determine if a job is done properly when looked at through the eyes of an attorney or judge. Thus be able to establish incompetents or negligence otherwise any standard is meaningless. If there is no standard there is no incompetents or negligence. The manufactures have to help set the standard based on actions, chemicals and other things that could damage the goods sold to the homeowner.

 

[FB19087]

A standard is something that should be able to be measured to determine if a job is done properly when looked at through the eyes of an attorney or judge. Thus be able to establish incompetents or negligence otherwise any standard is meaningless. If there is no standard there is no incompetents or negligence. The manufactures have to help set the standard based on actions, chemicals and other things that could damage the goods sold to the homeowner.

Yet no need for a "chemistry lesson"?

Which btw is nowhere near a chemistry lesson. Just a few definitions/explanations pertinent to the product and procedures.

 

[Andy]

Yet no need for a "chemistry lesson"?

is something that should be put in a training manual

 

[FB19087]

is something that should be put in a training manual

Instead of the technical standard?

I don't understand the logic here........................


The standard is what should include these things ...... the more in-depth "why"

A training manual is what would include the "routine" and basic knowledge

 

[Andy]

I don't understand the logic here........................

a standard is something a lawyer will look at to see if it is being met.
a training manual is something a technician needs to look at to understand how and why things are being done.

 

[FB19087]

I think the IICRC has muddied the waters with the "you'll want this if you ever got to court" spiel

but even looking at your definitions the standard (and reference) would by necessity be more thorough and include the "chemistry lesson"

A training manual should include info from and be in accordance with the technical standard

 

[Andy]

A training manual should include info from and be in accordance with the technical standard

agreed

 

[hogjowl]

I’ve just decided I don’t know you people or care about your standards
Idiots

 

[Andy]

@Mikey P Having a standard for CLEANING would be impossible to establish. Having a minimum standard of CARE is something that could be proven. Clean can be different for different situations. A minimum standard of care isn't. Change the name of the standard to Carpet Cleaning Standard of Care

 

[Andy]

I’ve just decided I don’t know you people or care about your standards

You are right you don't know me. So whether I am an Idiot or not is not for you to decide.

 

[hogjowl]

You’re here
Idiot

 

[Andy]

You’re here
Idiot

Being here does not make me or anyone else an idiot, Not being here could make me one though. Those not here don't know it.

 

[FB19087]

agreed

which is essentially what you have now

There doesn't need to be levels of the standard.

You have levels of education in accordance with the standard though I'm not sure an "advanced Carpet Cleaning" class would be useful/profitable

Maybe the problem is a lack of companion materials available.

 

[Andy]

@hogjowl I think I actually understand where you are coming from though. If individuals take too much stock in some of the comments that strong willed personalities make as gospel they may make bad decisions. For instance if a person makes comments about you needing to have the biggest baddest truckmount or you're a hack. And a person was to make a purchase based on those comments and come to realize it was not necessary He could feel like an idiot and then call every one else idiots for listening to such comments.
Keep up the good work you may actually help others from making idiotic decisions.

 

[Andy]

Maybe the problem is a lack of companion materials available.

You are right. Basic cleaning instructions should come with any machine sold. OP, CIMEX, CRB, TM, PORTABLES

 

[Cleanworks]

You are right. Basic cleaning instructions should come with any machine sold. OP, CIMEX, CRB, TM, PORTABLES

At the same time, if you don't know how to use the machine, why would you buy it?

 

[J Scott W]

So, Mike, will you be joining us on the next group call? I think it is Thursday about 4:30 AM your time zone. We are including folks from England and Australia, so the timing get weird.

There may end up being a huge difference between what some have proposed to put into the standard and the final result.

@Lee Stockwell, or others who see errors in the proposed information, please, share specific details with Mike or myself or others on the committee. We don't all have degrees in chemistry and would love to remove anything inaccurate or unneeded.