I find the major difference is that liquids seem to foam more than powders.Is the surfactants any better on one vs the other?
I have both a ph 12 on liquid and powder and several times the liquid seems to have a better punch.
Foaming was only a problem if I used the liquid 100% as a spotter for removing the air filtration linesBoth types of products have most ingredients in common. Liquids may create more foaming, depending on the formulation.
In my experience, some liquids may have a higher percentage of solvent additives, which might be why you are seeing some performance difference.
That question has always been in the back of my mind about the differences between a liquid surfactant vs a powder surfactant. You can't ask any of the soap salesman of these products or they'll accuse you of trying to copy their formula, or just give a bs answer of "there's just more water in the liquid kind. That's the only difference".If Mikey is giving you any kind of $encouragement to start theses DATS, he needs to reconsider.
This ^ Any formulator will tell you, there's only so much solvency you can add to powders.Both types of products have most ingredients in common. Liquids may create more foaming, depending on the formulation.
In my experience, some liquids may have a higher percentage of solvent additives, which might be why you are seeing some performance difference.
One potential downside of liquid prespray products is the difficulty of removing them from the carpet. High percentages of solvent additives, especially d-limonene, can create oily residues that don’t readily leave the fiber, despite repeated flushing.
Likewise some of the “foamier” surfactants.
Over application with in-line sprayers only makes this condition worse.
The use of all purpose hard surface degreasers as carpet prespray creates this issue frequently as well.
I know that windows on wands can be a contentious issue, and I haven’t a vested interest in them either way, but they do reveal how much prespray residue we leave behind in both carpet and upholstery.
That's a good point. Truck mount only guys don't realize how foamy their products are but it's still clogging up your vac hose reducing your airflow. Porty guys are very conscious of foam as it comes spewing out underneath your machine while you're cleaning. Which is why I like Procyon so much. Zero foam using their Extreme prespray and their plus powder as a rinse. My supplier doesn't want to carry it anymore so I am thinking of ordering straight from the manufacturer. Not the most powerful products but I get great results. Maybe the odd time I need to boost the prespray. The phosphate rinse helps to remove old residues from the carpets.This ^ Any formulator will tell you, there's only so much solvency you can add to powders.
Ergo they sell liquid booster citrus ect ect.
Only a porty guy could tell the foaming difference cough cough cleanworks.
Well you can hear and feel loss of powerThat's a good point. Truck mount only guys don't realize how foamy their products are but it's still clogging up your vac hose reducing your airflow. Porty guys are very conscious of foam as it comes spewing out underneath your machine while you're cleaning. Which is why I like Procyon so much. Zero foam using their Extreme prespray and their plus powder as a rinse. My supplier doesn't want to carry it anymore so I am thinking of ordering straight from the manufacturer. Not the most powerful products but I get great results. Maybe the odd time I need to boost the prespray. The phosphate rinse helps to remove old residues from the carpets.
Some guys can.Well you can hear and feel loss of power
There must be something to Encapsulation formulas also, because powdered Encap don't seem to cut it like liquid.This ^ Any formulator will tell you, there's only so much solvency you can add to powders.
Ergo they sell liquid booster citrus ect ect.
Only a porty guy could tell the foaming difference cough cough cleanworks.
I've heard that response from them also on the products that can only be powder or liquid. And that's ok. But going through all the advertisements on here, powders are pushed more than liquids, and I'm starting to see liquids being the better of the two.There must be something to Encapsulation formulas also, because powdered Encap don't seem to cut it like liquid.
At Mikey's Fest one of the guys that has a product line was saying that there's certain products that can't be put into powder so they have to be made into liquid and vice versa.