175 vs crb
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Dolly Llama
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Ron Lippold
RIP
hands down a cbr kicks ass way faster
Dolly Llama
Number 5
let me repeat in case you missed it
a heavy rotary with VCT type pad is FAR superior at shearing soil off the fiber than a CRB
On soiled tight looped piles the difference can be dramatic
a CBR is superior at digging loose and impacted crUd "out" of cut pile fibers
Guys gravitate to the CRB cause it's lighter and less hassle than dragging a heavy rotary in.
That's why they convince themselves it's better !gotcha!
..L.T.A.
a heavy rotary with VCT type pad is FAR superior at shearing soil off the fiber than a CRB
On soiled tight looped piles the difference can be dramatic
a CBR is superior at digging loose and impacted crUd "out" of cut pile fibers
Guys gravitate to the CRB cause it's lighter and less hassle than dragging a heavy rotary in.
That's why they convince themselves it's better !gotcha!
..L.T.A.
daniel@procarpet
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It looks to me like the crb would be better for scrubbing tile as well. I have never used one so I wouldn't know. I don't have any problems with the 175 though. I keep brushes and different pads on the truck and I think the 175 would be a lot faster. Ideally you should have both, but it I had to choose just one tool to keep on the truck it would be the 175 for post padding, scrubbing, cleaning hardwood, and buffing sealer out. Everyone needs a 175 on the truck.
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greentech
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To me in comes down to which machine is easier to carry in and out of the van and in and out of a customers home.
The CRB is a lot lighter and much easier to operate. It is less effort then a vacuum. You can get right up to the edge of a wall and furniture without having to worry about bumping into things.
I also use it for tile. You can tilt the machine right into a grout line.
You can split hairs about which does a better job. A CRB is more then satisfactory in just about any situation.
The CRB is a lot lighter and much easier to operate. It is less effort then a vacuum. You can get right up to the edge of a wall and furniture without having to worry about bumping into things.
I also use it for tile. You can tilt the machine right into a grout line.
You can split hairs about which does a better job. A CRB is more then satisfactory in just about any situation.
J Scott W
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The machine you will actually use will always do a better job than the one that stays in your van.
I prefer the CRB to get the added benefit of standing up the pile to allow easier extraction of the soils. Matted and crush tufts can make it difficult to reach impacted soils. Brush Pro takes care of that.
I prefer the CRB to get the added benefit of standing up the pile to allow easier extraction of the soils. Matted and crush tufts can make it difficult to reach impacted soils. Brush Pro takes care of that.
Dolly Llama
Number 5
greentech said:
it's not splitting hairs as far as shearing soil, Bro
there's a reason the Cimex is king of encRap sCampoo and NOT the CRB machines
and it has nothing to do with speed of production ...it's simply cause heavy rotary action with pads shears soil off the fiber better..period
a side by side evaluation on a trashed com will tell you all you need to know in less than 5 minutes
I do however agree with my friend Scott...
"the one that get used is better than the one that stays on the van"
..L.T.A.
Larry Cobb
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idreadnought
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for residential carpet the crb is better. First it lifts hair and debree to the surface. Second when you consider the amount of brush touching the carpet the weight to brush surface area is greater. And third because of the way they are used they are faster because they are used squarly not fanned making them more efficient. And finally, they are easier to use and will get used making them the best tool for it.
roto-vac 360 always finds hair and sand that pre-vacuuming leaves behind. :shock:
rv 360 weighs in at 39 pounds and can be carried in one hand. also has pad driving head so you can post bonnet or just plain encap with shiteatinggrin
why spend time pre scrubbing with a crb when you can pre scrub and extract with one machine? 8)
rv 360 weighs in at 39 pounds and can be carried in one hand. also has pad driving head so you can post bonnet or just plain encap with shiteatinggrin
why spend time pre scrubbing with a crb when you can pre scrub and extract with one machine? 8)
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Mattsfc
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What is a crb machine ?
Dolly Llama
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Mattsfc said:
counter rotating brush machine, Matt
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..L.T.A.
Joel D
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I'm surprised at the answers. I have and use both and i really like the crb but a 175 is way more aggressive.
If its a trashed apartment especially a berber with bad dark grease spots or whatever i use the 175. The crb doesn't do much on berber or really bad spots. Ive thought about putting some weights on the crb to improve it but i just push down with my foot on the back wheeley bar on my whitaker in bad areas.
If its a trashed apartment especially a berber with bad dark grease spots or whatever i use the 175. The crb doesn't do much on berber or really bad spots. Ive thought about putting some weights on the crb to improve it but i just push down with my foot on the back wheeley bar on my whitaker in bad areas.
Desk Jockey
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Larry are you saying as a stand alone process or as one of the steps in the cleaning process?
Are your numbers including sq/ft cleaned by janitorial staff? Generally I wouldn't compare that type of cleaning with that of a "professional carpet cleaner".
I like the crb.
Fast, lighweight and easy to use.
Imagine how much experience a tech would need in order to run a 175 inside a custy's home without damaging something. Then, up and down stairs with that heavy piece of equipment and its only a matter of time before something bad happens.
The bennifits, if there are any, don't justify the risk imo.
Crb is the way to go. You can train a tech how to safely use one in about 2 seconds.
Fast, lighweight and easy to use.
Imagine how much experience a tech would need in order to run a 175 inside a custy's home without damaging something. Then, up and down stairs with that heavy piece of equipment and its only a matter of time before something bad happens.
The bennifits, if there are any, don't justify the risk imo.
Crb is the way to go. You can train a tech how to safely use one in about 2 seconds.
Desk Jockey
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It takes a little time to get used to how to control side to side but it's really not bad. Even at that in a home you'd only hit traffic areas away from furnishings.
Not weight.....I totally agree with you, sucks going up and down stairs with them.
Dolly Llama
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yep ..it's the weight that sucks
that's why some on this thread CHOOSE to be in denial about which one shears soil off a fiber better
Now..I know there can be many "pros" to CRB that out weigh the cons of a rotary to you.
I can dig that.
but to suggest it's just as good or better for shearing soil off a fiber...is to be in denial of the obvious
..L.T.A.
that's why some on this thread CHOOSE to be in denial about which one shears soil off a fiber better
Now..I know there can be many "pros" to CRB that out weigh the cons of a rotary to you.
I can dig that.
but to suggest it's just as good or better for shearing soil off a fiber...is to be in denial of the obvious
..L.T.A.
sweendogg
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It comes down to right tool for the right job... match the procedures to the soiling! My CRB is for cutpile all beit residential or commerical. I use a 175 for commerical or at times larger residential areas with either a brush or pads. 175 with pads always wins on commerical level loop carpet like meat said. In the wash pit on rugs though its a 175 with an adjustaglide brush that i prefer over a crb on rugs any day..
And as someone mentioned there are times when using a rotary extraction tool can be just as effective on moderatly soiled carpet than trying agitate and extract.
Match the process to the soil load.
And as someone mentioned there are times when using a rotary extraction tool can be just as effective on moderatly soiled carpet than trying agitate and extract.
Match the process to the soil load.
Ron Lippold
RIP
Ron Lippold
RIP
does a 175 do that??????
Mikey P
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most of that is fiber ripped from the scalp..
I have both types of machines and prefer the manlier 175
Ron Lippold
RIP
right about 35-40 lbs
Desk Jockey
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Kicked the shit out of that carpet, of course that one needed it. What about lighter soiled carpet is it to aggressive for that? I'd be a little concerned the client might question where all the fuzz clumps came from.
Royal Man
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What kind/brand of machine is that?
Might be worth picking one up.
I've just seen the procaps or the brushpro
Might be worth picking one up.
I've just seen the procaps or the brushpro
Ron Lippold
RIP
Wow just knocked out 1960 sq ft in a theater, first time we have used the cbr on this carpet. Normally we use about 280 gallon this time we used less tha 200. less time better results.
