hybrid Aerotech

[ronbeatty]

I recently completed the install of a diesel fired heater to my Aerotech unit. I added the heater because I do a lot of dual wanting with high flow tools like Zippers and six jet TI wands. It is a big help first job in the morning and with dual wanting jobs like I had today. Being that I am using the same fuel that my truck runs on, it makes it convenient.I plumbed it in so that I can use it if I need it or just use the heat exchangers on the aerotech if I am single wanding. It is a nice upgrade if you use your truck as I do. I will be finishing the control and invertor mounting plate tomorrow, this was temporary till I knew it would work as expected.[/URL[/URL

 

[BLewis]

Ron, what was the total cost to do this?

 

[ronbeatty]

I built the stand and wired the inverter, if you do these things yourself you could probably do it for $4000.00. You loose about an 18" by 18" area when installed as I did.

 

[Mikey P]

Glad I'm not a heat freak..

 

[Chris A]

So what would she hold with two wands going? Shit if I'm saw-stroking really dirty carpet for very long I'm lucky to stay above 200

 

[ronbeatty]

We were running wide open in corridors when I took the picture. I have not set it above 250 but I am sure it would go much hotter. Not a heat freak, just looking for consistent temp from start up to finish. We will run two tile spinners on large commercial jobs and be able to maintain consistent heat.

 

[Desk Jockey]

$4000.00.

 

[ronbeatty]

Richard, We cleaned 4700sq ft of very high end office space in 2 hrs with an $800.00 an hour gross. The carpet was completely dry where we started and the client who has been a customer for over 35 years was very happy. We cleaned a facility of theirs last week and they could hardly believe the results, they thought they would have to replace the carpet. This was a great upgrade, being that it doesn't dump water or have a bunch of pesky solenoids and such.

 

[AshleyMckendree]

@ronbeatty did you order this from Masterblend? Looks just like the EL Diablo heater

 

[Desk Jockey]

I'm not a big heat proponent unless there is a need (trashed rentals, greasy restaurants). When we have a need we adjust our cleaning pie and either go higher PH solutions or agitation with a Cimex.

4K is big bucks. Do you know how much drying equipment I could buy for that?

 

[jwfoulk12]

While $4000 is a lot of money it's way cheaper then upgrading to a new truckmount because you are trying to get more heat. I added a 3HT propane booster to mine to achieve the same results. The $2500 I spent was so worth it as now I am once again perfectly happy with my truck and am not thinking I need to upgrade right away just because I want more heat.

 

[Desk Jockey]

Its your money and as long as you are happy, then its money well spent!



J/K

 

[ronbeatty]

I'm not a big heat proponent unless there is a need (trashed rentals, greasy restaurants). When we have a need we adjust our cleaning pie and either go higher PH solutions or agitation with a Cimex.

4K is big bucks. Do you know how much drying equipment I could buy for that?

Richard, I sold all my restoration equipment when Obama came out with the stupid lead requirements. I concentrate on the things that get me paid quickly with the least liability and drama. Heat is an important part of the cleaning pie and I try to use as little chemical as possible to leave a cleaner indoor environment.

 

[ronbeatty]

@ronbeatty did you order this from Masterblend? Looks just like the EL Diablo heater

Ashley, It is a Masterblend heater. I bought it through John and Laura Olson, great customer service by the way!!!!

 

[Mikey P]

Rin did you ask AT how much their new secondary HX cost?

 

[ronbeatty]

Mike, With the dual tank recovery system I have it would have meant a complete redo of the truck including blower mount, silencer relocation, etc. This was an easier way to get the same result. I also wanted to give them time to dial everything in before I by a new one.

 

[Desk Jockey]

Richard, I sold all my restoration equipment when Obama came out with the stupid lead requirements. I concentrate on the things that get me paid quickly with the least liability and drama. Heat is an important part of the cleaning pie and I try to use as little chemical as possible to leave a cleaner indoor environment.

Not a bad plan.

My experience with high heat is that it is tough on hoses, valves & skin. I understand why you like it though, heat kicks butt.

Fortunately most of what we clean is fairly clean carpet to begin with. So there just isn't the need for extreme heat to accomplish what we need to get done.

 

[Bob Savage]

Ron has the right idea about dual wanding. It just makes sense, and dollars!

We did 14,400 sq. ft. of CGD last night, running 3 wands (total #20 flow). We used our gasoline TM with LP heat (for 2 wands), and our ETM (the third wand), also using an LP heater. I used the ETM because it never ceases to amaze me (3 cords).

We cleaned non-stop using the APO's and hooked up to a water source, and were done in 4 hours.

I had 200' of hose out on the ETM, and it was screaming all the time, both with heat and vacuum.

There is nothing like a fossil fuel for heat. That is all I have ever used for thirty years cleaning. I have never encountered a job yet where I lacked heat when cleaning, and this one last night was filthy!

 

[Desk Jockey]

You need a Zipper Bob!

 

[Dolly Llama]

It is a Masterblend heater.

made in Italy??

bought one 20 years ago for a home built TM i fab'd

It's looks identical to the ones I've seen El Diablo's

if i recall, the specs were 200 sustained @ 2gpm with 60 degree in????
it was a long time ago
I "think" it was rated 1500 psi

had troubles with igniters ..insulation cracked and they were arcing .
spraying fuel into the box without igniting ...THEN she lit up and became a "flame thrower" til the raw fuel was burnt
scared the chit out me..orange flame roaring a foot out of the stack


never had that happen with the Wayne burner Steamway used on Powermatics .
I've had no ignite conditions where raw fuel was sprayed...when it did/does ignite, it was just lots of belching black smoke til the excess few is burnt ..but no flame throwing out the stack


..L.T.A.

 

[Dolly Llama]

I'm not a big heat proponent .

that's what all you cowboys that can't make hot water TMs say.......


On the serious note (and I'm only half joking above)
I've run TMs for years with fuel burners (Propane, then Kero for the last 20 years)
with the capacity to make outrageous hot water ...280+ ATM

truth is though, day in and day out we run right around 200-210 ATM.
I discovered years ago in my "heat freak" days it cooks wand valves and hoses prematurely....as well as the fact, it's just not needed most of the time

i could get along just fine with a TM that could only make 180 ATM.
But it sure is nice on the occasions where 240 temps can make the difference of needing the scrubber or just twisting the thermostat dial

soiled poly cut pile and CGD are two places it can make a big difference going from 200 to 240+ ...WITHOUT dragging a 90 to 100+ pound agitation machine in


..L.T.A.

 

[Desk Jockey]

gawwd you don't have to be so serious. You left me with no rebutal.

 

[ronbeatty]

Larry, this heater comes with a safety built into a control board, if the igniters go out the fuel shuts off.

 

[Mike Draper]

Was cleaning this morning out at 300' with the zipper. Holding 210 ATZ. When you have a long hose run the extra heat is nice to have.

 

[Captain America]

This seems like a good kero burner.....I had one like this and then got a larger one
From northern tools around 1500$.
Kleanline carries these 832-398-3989 made specific for carpet cleaning around 2500-3000$.
I have had mine for 9 -10 years.
I am not a heat freak but I am a high volume GPm freak.
I run mine around 160-180 but at 1 1/2 GPm which is usually about 12-13 flow.
Hx give good heat but heat up fast and can loose heat fast.
I haven't triggered the wand or cleaning tool since I got these heaters just tie off the trigger and use the shutoff valve or use the zipper hold down trigger.

 

[Dolly Llama]

From northern tools around 1500$.

Cap, does yours have a flame sensor to close the fuel solenoid if no ignition?
(I'm ASSuming that's the only way Ron's fail safe switch would work???)
Is that how yours works, Ron??...senses flame/heat or lack of?? and closes solenoid after so many seconds??

The burner I used for my home built (same burner as the one on El Diablo) I put a flow switch on..it wouldn't fire without water flow, but had nothing to sense flame ignition...or non, as the case may be


..L.T.A.

 

[dealtimeman]

I like it Ron.

I don't think ron runs that heater for every job just when he needs or wants more heat for particular jobs.

 

[dealtimeman]

How do you fill that fuel cell?

 

[Captain America]

Cap, does yours have a flame sensor to close the fuel solenoid if no ignition?
(I'm ASSuming that's the only way Ron's fail safe switch would work???)
Is that how yours works, Ron??...senses flame/heat or lack of?? and closes solenoid after so many seconds??

The burner I used for my home built (same burner as the one on El Diablo) I put a flow switch on..it wouldn't fire without water flow, but had nothing to sense flame ignition...or non, as the case may be

I do not believe I have what is called. A fail safe switch may be different that what I have.
I did have some of these problems with too much fuel and then igniting after flooding the burner with fuel.
I took the burner down to a pressure washer place( hotsy Carlson) they put a flow switch on it
That would lower the water flow to around 1/5 GPm.
I haven't had any burner problems since then...about 7 years.
Those pressure washers have a water burn level around 1 GPm minimum and that's the problem as they are made for pressure washers.
This fuel flow switch costs about 100$, but I would like to know more about the fail safe switch.
On a side note kero burners only ignite when you pull the trigger and then the flame is off.
Different from propane as propane continually burns even when you sit down the wand.

 

[ronbeatty]

Larry, it has a flow switch and a safety lockout with the fuel. If there is no spark it will shut off fuel.