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I'll be using Procyon Extreme on a upcoming wool/silk wall to wall and loose rug on location. I have to keep heat and flow way down to not risk shrinkage so I want something strong yet wool safe.

We'll be using he 10 Brush Pro with the soft brushes to agitate. Downy Fabric Softener on the exposed silk to leave a soft hand as well.

The Procyon hits the carpet at a pH of 6.5, I'd like it a bit lower so just a soft water rinse could be used. So my question is, can I add some citric acid to drop it a point or so, and how much would I add per gallon?
 
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Mike,

Extreme! is tested and certified WOOL safe 6.5.
If you were really sick and needed medical help would you seek a good doctor that knows a little about mixing medication or would you want to have a medical intern work with your meds. I would stick to the Doctor that knows from experience. Mike If you want to use a rinsing agent it would be better that messing with Extreme! Did you get the certification I sent you from Wool Safe?
 
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Trust the doctor. I know that you would not be where you are today if you did not know carpet fiber. I know that you can do it. Have a little faith. I know a little about chemistry. Keep your temperature down and no dripping fittings you will do great.
 
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I agree with everything Ivan said. I clean a ton of wool and silk. No need for fabric softener. Do you have soft water?
 
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Unless you are worried about dye bleed, there is no need to further sour your product. Although I use all the Procyon products, I don't use them on silk, yet. Reading what Ivan has written may change my mind. I just cleaned a 20x24 silk rug in home today, used pc fine fabric and rinsed with pc all fibre rinse. Cold water and only 200psi and groom and groom some more. Came out fantastic.
 
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Ivan Day Soap Free Procyon said:
Mike,

Extreme! is tested and certified WOOL safe 6.5.
If you were really sick and needed medical help would you seek a good doctor that knows a little about mixing medication or would you want to have a medical intern work with your meds. I would stick to the Doctor that knows from experience. Mike If you want to use a rinsing agent it would be better that messing with Extreme! Did you get the certification I sent you from Wool Safe?
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Ivan, how can Extreme be 6.5 Ph and wool safe, when right on my pail, it says 10 Ph, rtu 9.9 Ph?
 
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Our Procyon Extreme! Concentrate will have a pH of around 11 When mixed the ph will drop to a 10 this is where the approval from all the mills comes in with there approval. Wool Safe is saying that they are looking at the Alkalinity level which is 6.5. As far as I can see deep down in the narrows this is one great product. But lets look at wool. Their are many different grades of wool from all over the world. Some times you can clean a very poor quality wool and can get that smell as well as a good quality wool carpet or area rug.

When you clean wool you will always want to vacuum first using a good powerful vacuum. Then apply your mixed pre spray evenly. Keep your water temperature about the same as if you were bathing a baby. It is important to make sure you have your equipment, wand or tool that you are using provide lots of air flow while you are extracting. We do not want that wet dog smell. I can vision a wet smell that is caused from over wetting carpet. I can see a carpet that has had a detergent residue linger for days because the soapy sticky residue can not rapidly dry.

If you want to use Procyon cleaning products and you need a great smell you can mix a little Listerine mouth wash together, it is not a detergent and will not cause rapid resoling. I like the Original fragrance and remember it is a germicide.
 
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Ivan, can you clarify what you mean by saying that woolsafe is finding the alkilinity level is 6.5Ph. Ph is the measurement we go by to determine the acidity or alkilinity of a cleaning product. The "alkilinity" of extreme ready to use at the recommended dilution is 10. The only way to reduce the Ph to 6.5 is to further dilute it or add a souring agent such as citric acid or similar.
 
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Didn't the report say what dilution they used? Are they testing the carpet after water rinsing? Don't get me wrong, I love my Procyon but this flies directly in the face of everything we learn in our classroom training. Makes me think that the Wool Safe label is a crock.
 
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Cleanworks said:
Ivan, can you clarify what you mean by saying that woolsafe is finding the alkilinity level is 6.5Ph. Ph is the measurement we go by to determine the acidity or alkilinity of a cleaning product. The "alkilinity" of extreme ready to use at the recommended dilution is 10. The only way to reduce the Ph to 6.5 is to further dilute it or add a souring agent such as citric acid or similar.
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A cleaning product or water for that matter of 10.5 pH can have between low to high alkalinity. The higher alkalinity the harder it is to reduce the PH. The fact that alkalinity of Procyon Extreme is low, it doesn't take much dilution to drop the pH. Procyon Extreme is self neutralizing.
 
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Ivan, can you clarify what you mean by saying that woolsafe is finding the alkilinity level is 6.5Ph. Ph is the measurement we go by to determine the acidity or alkilinity of a cleaning product. The "alkilinity" of extreme ready to use at the recommended dilution is 10. The only way to reduce the Ph to 6.5 is to further dilute it or add a souring agent such as citric acid or similar.
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"Alkalinity does not measure the same property as the pH."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alkalinity
 
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Look up pH on wikipedia and it tells you that it is a numerical scale that indicates the acidity or alkilinity of an aqueous solution. In all of the courses I have taken over the years, not once have I had an instructor say that you can safely use a high pH cleaning solution on wool carpets. The main ingredient in Procyon is an alkiline builder.
 
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Ok, so I read Wool Safe theory on pH vs. Alkalinity. It seems if your high pH product is not buffered then it may be acceptable for use on wool. When it is buffered, the pH may remain too high and may cause felting or color damage. So I guess use whatever you want, as long as it has the Wool Safe label.
 
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