if you were buying a new (14"+) wand tomorrow..

Royal Man · May 28, 2013

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John Olson said:

I was talking to Zee why in the world would anyone pass up a Prochem Ergo Ti wand at $900 for something Dave might come up with. He bought a Vinus wannabe TI wand and then claimed it was the greatest thing since sliced bread because he bought the cheapest POS out there. Zee you could have sold that Ergo on eBay for $1300 ($200 user list) hell even $1100 and it would have gone fast.i am flabbergasted that you seriously passed it up. Nothing Dave might make will ever come close the Prochem TI wands EVER.

No matter what you buy if you buy from someone reputable then you don't have to worry if you use it once and hate it. Will cost you $100 or so for the shipping back and forth but you won't be stuck.

I will always be amazed at how carpet cleaners will spend a butt load on their machines then buy the cheapest POS they can get their hands on. The wand is the only tool you touch all day every day and should be what you spend the most amount of money on.

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It's obvious that you are more used to selling wands than using one day in and day out. I'm more concerned about a cleaner 's health and productivity. A cleaner can use whatever they want. I do have a Visus. It works great, It's light weight and the main feature I like is that the Tube can be cut to the optimum height to customize it for each user.(You can't do that with a Ti or a Bentley) Combined with a truly ergonomic valve I designed. It kicks any other wand out there for value and overall health of the operator. I clean standing up straight. My wrist and fingers have improved dramatically. Works for me. I'm working to get it out for others. It takes time. I have been through several prototypes and manufacturer dragging their feet and I don't want it to turn into cuffs where the idea gets stolen and knocked off.

Royal Man · May 28, 2013

Larry Cobb said:
I would like to know how many cleaners actually wand from both sides . . .

other than when they just get tired from one side

(which is what I do when cleaning).

Larry

I never switch sides. I'm too left handed.
Believe it or not. I met a cleaner that cleaned holding the wand behind his back as his regular technique. (Weirdest thing I had ever seen.)

Blue Monarch · May 28, 2013

I've been dancing with the aw29 for years. Love the thing.

John Olson · May 28, 2013

Royal Man said:
It's obvious that you are more used to selling wands than using one day in and day out. I'm more concerned about a cleaner 's health and productivity. A cleaner can use whatever they want. I do have a Visus. It works great, It's light weight and the main feature I like is that the Tube can be cut to the optimum height to customize it for each user.(You can't do that with a Ti or a Bentley) Combined with a truly ergonomic valve I designed. It kicks any other wand out there for value and overall health of the operator. I clean standing up straight. My wrist and fingers have improved dramatically. Works for me. I'm working to get it out for others. It takes time. I have been through several prototypes and manufacturer dragging their feet and I don't want it to turn into cuffs where the idea gets stolen and knocked off.

Dave you talked Zee out of a $900 ergo wand to sell him yours. That dosnt even come close to caring about anyone. If you did you would have told him to buy it, try it and of he hated it sell it make som money and THEN buy something else. I blame Zee ore then you though because how In the world does anyone let them be talked into losing money is beyond me. Pleas pleae pleae everyone reading this, I promise right here and right now to never ever do that to you.even if you never buy a damn thing from me I won't ever lie to you to try to get a buck out of your pocket. No matter wht anyone might think of me no one can say I've ripped them off or didn't have their best interest at heart...well they might say it but they can't prove it because it wouldn't be true.

truckmount girl · May 29, 2013

Larry Cobb said:
I would like to know how many cleaners actually wand from both sides . . .

other than when they just get tired from one side

(which is what I do when cleaning).

Larry

I never did. I was weird too, I write right handed, but wanded and batted left handed.

Take care,
Lisa

SamIam · May 29, 2013

truckmount girl said:
I never did. I was weird too, I write right handed, but wanded and batted left handed.

Take care,
Lisa

I'm right handed, bat left, golf left, clean right its awkward switching I get confused.

My dad is a lefty, maybe that messed me up.
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Royal Man · May 29, 2013

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John Olson said:

Dave you talked Zee out of a $900 ergo wand to sell him yours. That dosnt even come close to caring about anyone. If you did you would have told him to buy it, try it and of he hated it sell it make som money and THEN buy something else. I blame Zee ore then you though because how In the world does anyone let them be talked into losing money is beyond me. Pleas pleae pleae everyone reading this, I promise right here and right now to never ever do that to you.even if you never buy a damn thing from me I won't ever lie to you to try to get a buck out of your pocket. No matter wht anyone might think of me no one can say I've ripped them off or didn't have their best interest at heart...well they might say it but they can't prove it because it wouldn't be true.

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BTW: I checked My PMs and didn't see any to or from Zee unless he has an other name. One from Johnny and other from Burtz and several from Rough hewn concerning an other wand.

Dolly Llama · May 29, 2013

Ofer Kolton said:
Are we talking about using the wand with the left as well as the right hand?

yep, I am
obviously not BOTH at the same time :lol:

.L.T.A.

Jimmy L · May 29, 2013

Yeah we pay a boat load of money for our machine but come on man!

Those wands are WAY OVER PRICED for what they truly are.

In honesty they are nothing but a car exhaust tube bent into a wand with a valve attached.

And people take notice when makers try to RIP US OFF!

We ain't all STOOPIT!

Mikey P · May 29, 2013

If you think a damn Castex is the end all of all wands, than yes...you are pretty stupit

Desk Jockey · May 29, 2013

I tried to pull that wand from Jimmy but he had a death grip on it!

ruff · May 29, 2013

Doc Holliday said:
I tried to pull that wand from Jimmy but he had a death grip on it!

You just talk big.
You'd be terrified that Jimmy may have Castexed a spell on you.

and thank you Larry......for clarifying :shifty:

Bruce Humphrey · May 29, 2013

Desk Jockey · May 29, 2013

Ofer Kolton said:
You just talk big.
You'd be terrified that Jimmy may have Castexed a spell on you.

and thank you Larry......for clarifying

Jimmy? I'm not afraid of Jimmy.........I am terrified of him. Should have seen him eat, I went to dinner with him twice last year and he didn't use utensils either time. He has those large spider monkey hands, it was scary, wing sauce all over them. :eekk:

It's no wonder I could pull the wand from him with those things he calls hands.

We tried not to be rude but geeez those are some hands, my wife snapped this shot at sports bar. Incredible! Damn spider monkey!

ruff · May 29, 2013

And I am impressed how wrinkle free your hands are.
Makes one wonder about those mythological childhood work stories of yours :winky:

Desk Jockey · May 29, 2013

Mythical?

Hey that's me on the right side with the Ken Snow haircut I think I was 18-in that picture. :winky:

That's my father in the middle with a dark blue shirt on.

Willy P · May 29, 2013

Not mythical , it's mystical Ofer has a lisp. :biggrin:

.

Desk Jockey · May 29, 2013

Zee · May 29, 2013

Royal Man said:
BTW: I checked My PMs and didn't see any to or from Zee unless he has an other name. One from Johnny and other from Burtz and several from Rough hewn concerning an other wand.

Duude...Dave..come on man you say there is no pm traffic between us? Hmmmm...maybe Fred has the power to go back in time and check. I deleted all pm when the board change happened.

What happened was, the auction for the TI ergo came down to the last minute where we had to decide if I take it or Jimbo. Mikey showed a picture of his extended TI wand compared to the Ergo. The Ergo is pretty short for a normal size man like myself or Mikey or Jimbo. (i think all three of us are like 6'5" or above) And the three of us decided that I won the auction but don't have to take it. I then told Jimbo he can take it and wished him the best. I knew it was a sickass deal but figured it won't help me that much since Dave was already singing the notes of his upcoming greatest ergo wand design..

So Dave didn't talk me out of it completely. It was my decision to give it to Jimbo. Now I was just questioning Dave what's up with the stuff that he was so eager to tell about back than?.

Dave you are wrong though by saying there was no pm between us. And you know its true.

Jimmy L · May 29, 2013

Mikey you've never seen my POS castex wand so shut your mouth!

And don't even get me going on that overpriced POS GREENHOLE wand!

I've tried it and maybe there are a bunch of stoopit carpet cleaners who paid money for that!

I can see the Ti wand................but man....................THAT MUCH MONEY?

Come on man!

And now seeing how the AW-29 is very popular (but you idiots didn't read the question.it said 14 INCH WANDS MORONS!)

So now I see where SAPPHIRE will be doing the "research" they need to do besides making PLASTIC professional tools.

So I see them and their "ENGINEERS" who probably moonlight as train ENGINEERS coming up with a PLASTIC AW-29 and call it .........."The monkey's PAW"

And further more............my hands reflect the SNAKE that's in my pants!

Just ask Lisa..........she couldn't stop staring..................because she 's a trouser snake looker!

Probably thinks she has one too.

Mikey P · May 29, 2013

Ive seen a Castex before James . Yours is not the only one on the planet .

I never owned a real greenie wand

Desk Jockey · May 29, 2013

Mikey you've never seen my POS castex wand so shut your mouth!

And don't even get me going on that overpriced POS GREENHOLE wand!

I've tried it and maybe there are a bunch of stoopit carpet cleaners who paid money for that!

I can see the Ti wand................but man....................THAT MUCH MONEY?

Come on man!

And now seeing how the AW-29 is very popular (but you idiots didn't read the question.it said 14 INCH WANDS MORONS!)

So now I see where Sapphire

will be doing the "research" they need to do besides making PLASTIC professional tools.

So I see them and their "ENGINEERS" who probably moonlight as train ENGINEERS coming up with a PLASTIC AW-29 and call it .........."The monkey's PAW"

And further more............my hands reflect the SNAKE that's in my pants!

Just ask Lisa..........she couldn't stop staring..................because she 's a trouser snake looker!

Probably thinks she has one too.

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Royal Man · May 29, 2013

Zee said:
Duude...Dave..come on man you say there is no pm traffic between us? Hmmmm...maybe Fred has the power to go back in time and check. I deleted all pm when the board change happened.

What happened was, the auction for the TI ergo came down to the last minute where we had to decide if I take it or Jimbo. Mikey showed a picture of his extended TI wand compared to the Ergo. The Ergo is pretty short for a normal size man like myself or Mikey or Jimbo. (i think all three of us are like 6'5" or above) And the three of us decided that I won the auction but don't have to take it. I then told Jimbo he can take it and wished him the best. I knew it was a sickass deal but figured it won't help me that much since Dave was already singing the notes of his upcoming greatest ergo wand design..

So Dave didn't talk me out of it completely. It was my decision to give it to Jimbo. Now I was just questioning Dave what's up with the stuff that he was so eager to tell about back than?.

Dave you are wrong though by saying there was no pm between us. And you know its true.

I checked all my PMs they are intact. None to or from your Zee. I may not be remembering what happened. Not trying to be mis-truthful.( I just don't do that stuff.) It may have been from a post reply instead. I'm pretty sold on my vinus that is 1/2 that price. As far as ergo wands go a short wand with that gun grip on top reaches further each stroke and has the grip higher. Even though the wand is shorter. (It's a tall wand in a short package.)

Zee · May 29, 2013

Royal Man said:
I checked all my PMs they are intact. None to or from your Zee. I may not be remembering what happened. Not trying to be mis-truthful.( I just don't do that stuff.) It may have been from a post reply instead. I'm pretty sold on my vinus that is 1/2 that price. As far as ergo wands go a short wand with that gun grip on top reaches further each stroke and has the grip higher. Even though the wand is shorter. (It's a tall wand in a short package.)

Hmmm..interesting. I could swear I had you pm me about it. If it is really true what you are saying, I would apologize...oh well I have no way of going back to check..

truckmount girl · May 29, 2013

Doc Holliday said:
Mythical?

Hey that's me on the right side with the Ken Snow haircut I think I was 18-in that picture.

You thought you were the looker in the family, didn't you? Leif Chavez.

take care,
Lisa

bob vawter · May 29, 2013

i heard about yous switch hitters........... :eekk:

bob vawter · May 29, 2013

Mikey P said:
Ive seen a Castex before James . Yours is not the only one on the planet .

I never owned a real greenie wand

i owned one...it was heavy!

Best damn wand i EVER had...are they STILL available?

Desk Jockey · May 29, 2013

You thought you were the looker in the family, didn't you? Leif Chavez.

take care,
Lisa

Lisa it's easy to be the looker in the family when you have ugly ass brothers. :winky:

Actually my brother Luis was the looker in the family. He was bedding them like he was Johnny Apple Seed.

Dan was the athlete, Luis got the looks, David got the brains.....and I didn't get shit.

Story of my life! :winky:

Desk Jockey · May 29, 2013

i heard about yous switch hitters...........

but butt bbut bawb, I only like wimins.

truckmount girl · May 29, 2013

Doc Holliday said:
Lisa it's easy to be the looker in the family when you have ugly ass brothers.

Actually my brother Luis was the looker in the family. He was bedding them like he was Johnny Apple Seed.

Dan was the athlete, Luis got the looks, David got the brains.....and I didn't get shit.

Story of my life!

Okay, now we have to know which is which, can you put names to the faces please, Leif.

Take care,
Lisa

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