IPS sprayer odd oversights

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No compression occurs when you attach the brass tube to the tip or to the gun. Because the fog tip has male threads, it cannot be used on the ISP unless you use the brass tube. Similarly, you cannot use the other tips on the brass tube because they have female threads.
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Once attached, the pickup hose prevents shutting the case.
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Today we took the IPS out for a test run. Squirts fine, once primed it delivers a good copious, even flow.

But; the case needs to be redesigned or disposed of in favor of a toolbox, because it is so closely fit that you have to remove the pickup hose, and any tip to put it back in the case. You cannot avoid complete assembly and disassembly and it will shorten the life of the plastic parts and the tubing. (Second picture).

There is no possible way that once uncoiled, that clear tubing will ever go back in. In short, the case is suited for shipping the IPS, then useless afterwards for day to day use.

Next weird item is the brass extension tube with compression nuts on each end. In order to use the fogging nozzle, you must use male/male adapters with an impeder to atomize the spray. Guess what? No Female/female adapter to use the fog tip on the plastic wand, or on the gun. Poof goes your chance to use it at close range, say on upholstery.
No adapter (without an impeder) for the standard tips on the brass tube, so poof goes the chance to use them EXCEPT on the short wand or the gun.

Then, just to pile on, the brass tube is attached to the gun or wand with the afore mentioned compression nuts; one attaches to the gun or wand, the other holds the fog tip. BUT: for a compression nut to work, there has to be a tapered interior sleeve or compression ring. As the nut is tightened, the sleeve (or ring) should squeeze tightly onto the brass tube and holds the assembly by friction.
The ISP lacks either a tapered sleeve or compression ring in the compression nuts. So....today I was happily spraying product for a minute, when PLOOP! Off popped the tip assembly and I hosed about a straight stream cupful of product before I knew it. No compression, no using the fog tip. (First picture).

Here is what I plan to do: I plan to find a way to correct these problems, because I like the sprayer. It has plenty of power and made today's job go well.
But why should I have to?

I am curious whether your experience has been similar, and have read the threads about pimping the ISP with interest. I do recommend it as a versatile sprayer, with the stipulation that you will have to correct some practical usage issues that should have been designed out of it early on.

7/10 on the ISP as it is, with the hope that Francois can use this (and your) feedback to make a champion product.
 
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you got the black angled elbow backwards between the compression and the spray tip.


Shame the case doesn't hold the assembled sprayer


his name is Francois, not Jacques you goober.
 
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You put the impeder down inside the brass tube instead of against the metal tip? I'll look at it tomorrow. How do you prevent it popping off at either end, did you get proper compression nuts, or rings?

Name corrected. It is like a dyslexia for me to use the wrong name.
 

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Update:

Haw haw, Mike. "Mike would never steer me wrong" I thought. Being a trusting guy I did what 42 years of plumbing told me wouldn't work and guess what? Turning the adapter around produced a jet that would shoot across the room. Not a spray. If the impeder isn't right up against the metal tip, you get a straight stream (in addition to poor compression of the adapters).

Numbnuts.
 
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I really wanted to by one of these but it seems there are quite a few small glitches. Too bad.
 

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Update:

Haw haw, Mike. "Mike would never steer me wrong" I thought. Being a trusting guy I did what 42 years of plumbing told me wouldn't work and guess what? Turning the adapter around produced a jet that would shoot across the room. Not a spray. If the impeder isn't right up against the metal tip, you get a straight stream (in addition to poor compression of the adapters).

Numbnuts.


no worries, I felt as stupid as you will once you have that Ah Ha moment and it all makes sense. Keep trying, it works.
 

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Hey now, I never called it disfunctional. I used it again today to CRB a church carpet and my guess is we saved about a third of the DS2 we had expected to use.

We used a new two-gallon gas can as the reservoir and it worked wonderfully. Except for the above mentioned lapse of judgement when I listened to you-know-who.
 

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I really wanted to by one of these but it seems there are quite a few small glitches. Too bad.

Honestly, despite all the little bugs, and even despite the fact that the plastic carrying case is going to be in my recycling bin come Thursday, if your a somewhat handy Hack that does not get all Butt-Hurt if he is forced to tweak or modify a piece of equipment in any because it was not perfect enough, then you should still buy it.

All of the biggest bugs have already been exposed, and I don't consider any of them being deal-breakers.

Swap that fooking hose barb on the handle for a QC or QC pigtail, set up a couple of custom hoses, put the QC spray tips on, and if you have two young boys like me, give them the now useless red case to run around and beat each other with.

Admit early on that the case WILL NOT WORK, and end the pain.

Start looking for alternative cases to carry the sprayer and accessories.

I found a couple of small Paintball gear bags that may be a nice fit......NOT one that screams firearm of course.

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The price further justifies my opinion to buy it.

If we were talking something like 400 or more, I might not be so enthusiastic, but any wanna-be McGyver with 2-Fiddy can get a pretty versatile, sweet little tool if their ManGina holds up.

Looks puuuuuurfect for upholstery, and even more valuable to anyone practicing in the Dark Arts of HWE alternatives.

Anyone who encaps, pads, spins, squirts, and/or jiggles, needs some type of power-sprayer independent of their injection sprayer to lay down their potion.

If this one tool can do all this, which I am not saying yet that it can, and the worst component that can fail is a 70 dollar pump, is it worth 250 and a couple of hours of quality time with it?
 
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Francois.........Are you there???.......Put down the Croissant and pay attention.........The moment of truth will soon be upon thee..........wise to get started on the new and improved IPS 3000 and establish your market so you can try to avoid the fate of many smaller manufacturers like yourself who have walked before you, which is a hot topic at the moment, and a harsh reality.

Like candy to a Roto-Molder.
 

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Hey Goomer, Thanks for the kind words about the sprayer.
I agree totally about the qc's for the guns inlet. I designed the qc's like your talking about the first week I had mine in hand. It works awesome like that, just switching from jug to jug allowing for a quick change without any mess to speak of, either in the van or wasted on the floor.
I don't understand why your sprayer won't fit in it's case. I install the qc on the sprayers all the time and it fits in the case as it was made to do, without issue, and I don't remove the little IPS roller cover on the end either.
Regarding the case not being usable? I understand that if your gun doesn't fit, because of a modification someone had done, or installed to many fittings on the end, of course it won't fit. I'm interested in seeing your sprayer in the case, or a picture of the end to see what kind of hardware is on it. I know I could figure out what's wrong in your case if I could see it. Franky, I don't store the sprayer in its case because it's used on every job, and it just gets in the way. I even tell my customers that if it's inconvenient to use by removing and storing back in the case after every job, it won't get used. As for Frank, well he's celebrating his birthday with his daughter today and he sorry he can't join us in this conversation.
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Chip, I love the sprayer. But why isn't it shipped with the QC installed, one on the clear hose and a female coupling adapter to use the fog tip on the gun? So easy! All the griping turns to praise and I start thinking of why I want an extra one for the house.
 
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What about this, pic 1 and 3 same. Just cut off a 2"piece of the brass tube like that and install. Then you have a short tube that will work as you want it to. Regarding the qc installed on the end automatically? I'm not sure why it wasn't. But again it's an upgrade. Many people don't order it at the same time ect. As for the hose not fitting in the case attached to the gun? Do you keep a drill bit attached to your cordless drill when you put it away? Probably not because it won't fit, just like the sprayer. Sorry But all of these little issues are the same little things we used to encounter when using a new pump up sprayer. Working out and tweeking it to our liking. I'm glad you like the sprayer, as a matter of fact. I think I sent that to you, it had my test sticker on it. Lol
 

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You started all this, asshole.

And I do all that just for you, Cacado.

Chip, the short tube idea is perfect, or a 3/8" brass mechanic's coupling. And yeah, I'll sort the other things out, but take my comments as constructive criticism, then sell a $290 version, hahaha!

BTW, I used it today to spray 1 quart of Hydrocide on a rug. That is EXACTLY the strength of the IPS, being able to do a quickie without a bunch of hassle. So Reader if you are on the fence, quit dithering and order one.
 
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