IS THE GRASS GREENER?

[Tony Wilson]

10 years a Prochem Everest owner. Van getting tired so almost time for new again. But having enjoyed the Everest can I really go back to an air cooled slide in? Or possibly a truck powered system e.g. CDs butler or pro 1200? Or is my grass greener than the other side.
PROCHEM EVEREST PROS:
Heat
Quiet for a slide in
Very little maintenance/very reliable
Great CFM

CONS:
Heat - dumps water like crazy if using low flow tools. Also gets crazy hot in the van.

Large footprint. Also in a standard roof van tank is a pita to clean and service.

Heavy

New units $$$$$. $34000 with all the bells and whistles (just the truck mount)

Anyone moved to a different system from an Everest and been happy?

 

[Mikey P]

$26k right now at interlink

 

[Mark Saiger]

I have not run slide ins for years....

Not knowing your cleaning needs such as hose runs, other limitations, even van limitations....not sure what to say....

I do love running our Butler Direct Drives.....and my environment I work in is a big part of my decision too...

I actually find with the way my Butlers are set up, they do everything I need and more....

That would be just a couple of things to consider I guess if looking to move from slide in to direct drive thoughts....

 

[hogjowl]

If I were to buy a slide in, it would be a Prochem.

But I'm a CDS fan.

This week

 

[Tony Wilson]

$26k right now at interlink

 

[Tony Wilson]

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I have not run slide ins for years....

Not knowing your cleaning needs such as hose runs, other limitations, even van limitations....not sure what to say....

I do love running our Butler Direct Drives.....and my environment I work in is a big part of my decision too...

I actually find with the way my Butlers are set up, they do everything I need and more....

That would be just a couple of things to consider I guess if looking to move from slide in to direct drive thoughts....

Thanks Mark. Yes 95% residential with average hose runs of 100 ft or less. So honestly I don't need another TM as big as my Everest. Over powered imo for what I do. Carpets some tile and grout and upholstery. Not Much commercial. ( my choice )

 

[Mark Saiger]

Thanks Mark. Yes 95% residential with average hose runs of 100 ft or less. So honestly I don't need another TM as big as my Everest. Over powered imo for what I do. Carpets some tile and grout and upholstery. Not Much commercial. ( my choice )

You would be a candidate then for any TM...and even a direct drive unit. I run 2.5 inch hose set up on my Butlers and carry in a section of 2 inch as my lead line....but I get pretty good performance with my Butlers even on some longer hose runs when needed.

Then I guess it would be up to what kind of van you want run in next also...

I use the GMC extended units for my Butlers and then work for me...larger vans would be difficult to get in and out of some of the terrain I get into....

 

[BIG WOOD]

If you're only doing 100ft runs, and you're tired of it dumping water, the Titan575 is the best of both worlds. It is silent for a slide in also, and it rarely wastes water. I think the time it'll run without bypassing in the waste tank is 40min. There's no water filters needed to clean out like the old prochem style. I don't know if the everest has that system or not.

But to answer your question, I wouldn't get another everest. I'd either get a CDS for space saving if you're putting it back in a chevy van, or a slide in like my titan if you're in a trailer or box truck or transit mid roof

 

[Desk Jockey]

I think you're going to have difficulty stepping down to anything unless you are willing to compromise your expectations.

If you are willing to accept less in performance then any liquid cooled unit would be sufficient. Van powered are great for simplicity but there are trade offs. Long hose runs, dual wands, high pressure applications, deep water extraction a big slide in performs better.

If none of those apply Butler, Cleanco, Hydramaster, Sapphire all have a great a offering.

 

[Kevin De Medeiros]

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You would be a candidate then for any TM...and even a direct drive unit. I run 2.5 inch hose set up on my Butlers and carry in a section of 2 inch as my lead line....but I get pretty good performance with my Butlers even on some longer hose runs when needed.

Then I guess it would be up to what kind of van you want run in next also...

I use the GMC extended units for my Butlers and then work for me...larger vans would be difficult to get in and out of some of the terrain I get into....

Ive been thinking bout getting a new truckmount also. Ive been told that the aerotech , everest and saphire 870 are the only true dual wand machines to look at. Been getting some bigger commercial jobs and am wondering how the butler does with dual wanding and how long a hose runs can you run doing dual wanding.

 

[Tony Wilson]

If you're only doing 100ft runs, and you're tired of it dumping water, the Titan575 is the best of both worlds. It is silent for a slide in also, and it rarely wastes water. I think the time it'll run without bypassing in the waste tank is 40min. There's no water filters needed to clean out like the old prochem style. I don't know if the everest has that system or not.

But to answer your question, I wouldn't get another everest. I'd either get a CDS for space saving if you're putting it back in a chevy van, or a slide in like my titan if you're in a trailer or box truck or transit mid roof

Yep. The titans 575 is a nice Machine. Unfortunately I can't get one in California anymore. Emissions on the kubota. Probably going to be cds or 1200se. Both carried and service by my local interlink.

 

[BIG WOOD]

Yep. The titans 575 is a nice Machine. Unfortunately I can't get one in California anymore. Emissions on the kubota. Probably going to be cds or 1200se. Both carried and service by my local interlink.

You can't go wrong with whatever one you choose.

How many hours is on your everest now?

 

[BIG WOOD]

And has anyone asked Hydramaster and Sapphire about adding a catalytic converter to the truck mount to solve the emissions problem over there?

 

[Mark Saiger]

Ive been thinking bout getting a new truckmount also. Ive been told that the aerotech , everest and saphire 870 are the only true dual wand machines to look at. Been getting some bigger commercial jobs and am wondering how the butler does with dual wanding and how long a hose runs can you run doing dual wanding.

We do not dual wand with them, and really I wouldn't call any of the typical CDS machines previously listed as a true dual wand machine....

Vortex and Aerotech would be dual wand machines though and different category of a CDS you could say....

You can dual wand with smaller CDS units if using smaller tools and even smaller wands and jetting...but I really don't think it is as efficient for any of those units

We run high flow wands and just feel you could dual wand...but I just don't feel you would be getting the same cleaning possible...or speed or efficiency really...

 

[Tony Wilson]

I don't dual wand. Single owner operator. If I did have an employee and wanted dual wand I would probably go Aerotech.

 

[Tony Wilson]

And has anyone asked Hydramaster and Sapphire about adding a catalytic converter to the truck mount to solve the emissions problem over there?

Don't know. sounds like there not that worried about it. 1 state and 1 model in each line probably not worth re engineering for compliance. Here in California it seems they are just pushing cds more to offset margin loss more than likely.

 

[Bob Pruitt]

2 months with the new Butler and I really, really like it.

 

[hogjowl]

You're just happy not to be shoveling horse turds

 

[Tony Wilson]

Do you charge by the turd or shovel load?

 

[Bob Pruitt]

The horses are boarded. Very nice facility...they do all that.

 

[Larry Cobb]

Ive been thinking bout getting a new truckmount also. Ive been told that the aerotech , everest and saphire 870 are the only true dual wand machines to look at. Been getting some bigger commercial jobs and am wondering how the butler does with dual wanding and how long a hose runs can you run doing dual wanding.

For Dual Wanding you need a #5MR or larger CFM blower & ~37 to 40 HP.
For long runs you need high LIFT to counter the loss in each 50 ft. of vac hose.

The water-cooled Nissan was a great TM engine.
I don't think it has been equaled in price & reliability by any available to you.

 

[BIG WOOD]

Don't know. sounds like there not that worried about it. 1 state and 1 model in each line probably not worth re engineering for compliance. Here in California it seems they are just pushing cds more to offset margin loss more than likely.

It just doesn't make any sense why they can't add it underneath the unit. And is the prochem Apex in that category also? The kubota setup is killer! I'd be disappointed if I wasn't able to purchase it just for that reason only because I've been using a trailer for 15 years. Sure, I'd love to use a CDS setup, but I have no desire to drop back down in the 2cylinder air cooled. I'd be pissed if I had to.

If your everest is still running strong, just make sure your APO is strong, and get a new van

 

[ruff]

Thanks Mark. Yes 95% residential with average hose runs of 100 ft or less. So honestly I don't need another TM as big as my Everest. Over powered imo for what I do. Carpets some tile and grout and upholstery. Not Much commercial. ( my choice )

Tony,
The Everest, though a great machine, is definitely an overkill for what you need.
A CDS, Pro-1200, Cleanco or Butler will be more than you actually need, yet give you plenty of power and in certain configurations- heat.

Richard is right though, as it will take an adjustment. Not necessarily all bad. I personally prefer direct drives (simple, less maintenance, quieter) and maintained well they can last for 10 years.

All beside the Butler reportedly have some issues and then you don't really know if the Butlers don't, as their owners are like a secret medieval society

I am getting a Butler, as supposedly they are more reliable, which is by far the most important factor for me. I hope the myth is right. Their new mid-mount addresses the lack of storage space issue that has always been their major flaw. According to them, if you do not like to do it yourself, any car mechanic can handle their machines. Some say that you will not get parts quickly, so possibly longer down time. Though it seems like that these days most distributors don't carry much in stock either.

 

[BIG WOOD]

It might be overkill, but if it's already paid for, and isn't breaking down, it's perfect for him.

 

[Bob Pruitt]

Butlers don't, as their owners are like a secret medieval society

There is a secret handshake. You will also need a drop of blood when you pick it up. Not sure I was suppose to mention that part...

 

[Desk Jockey]

Tony,
The Everest, though a great machine, is definitely an overkill for what you need.
A CDS, Pro-1200, Cleanco or Butler will be more than you actually need, yet give you plenty of power and in certain configurations- heat.

Richard is right though, as it will take an adjustment. Not necessarily all bad. I personally prefer direct drives (simple, less maintenance, quieter) and maintained well they can last for 10 years.

All beside the Butler reportedly have some issues and then you don't really know if the Butlers don't, as their owners are like a secret medieval society

I am getting a Butler, as supposedly they are more reliable, which is by far the most important factor for me. I hope the myth is right. Their new mid-mount addresses the lack of storage space issue that has always been their major flaw. According to them, if you do not like to do it yourself, any car mechanic can handle their machines. Some say that you will not get parts quickly, so possibly longer down time. Though it seems like that these days most distributors don't carry much in stock either.

I wondered why you bought Butler. I like them but they are all the same Ofer.

 

[ruff]

For the myth of reliability.
I'd compromise heat, vacuum etc. for that. With all the extra options it seems like I won't need to.
Just hope the myth is right. Also,Bob & Mark forgot the mention the blood drawing. And as far as I can recall, you didn't either.

Foo...s!!

And hopefully its my last machine. Though I was sure it was the case with the last two.

 

[ruff]

It might be overkill, but if it's already paid for, and isn't breaking down, it's perfect for him.

You're right (I was responding to the possibility he suggested of buying a new Everest). If the machine is in good shape, it will be a lot cheaper and a practical decision.

 

[Mikey P]

 

[SamIam]