LVT is scary..

[Meter Maid]

Talked to a flooring guy today about some kitchen tile and asked him about LVT. He said residential carpet sales (for him) was down another 20% last year. Residential carpet is down around 64% in the last 10 years, for him.

Anyone else seeing this? Everyone I talk to wants LVT planks in their homes instead of carpet.

 

[Cleanworks]

Talked to a flooring guy today about some kitchen tile and asked him about LVT. He said residential carpet sales (for him) was down another 20% last year. Residential carpet is down around 64% in the last 10 years, for him.

Anyone else seeing this? Everyone I talk to wants LVT planks in their homes instead of carpet.

I was at home Depot looking at carpet samples. Everything was polyester or olefin except for some higher end commercial nylon. If you're only going to supply crap carpet, you're not going to sell much.

 

[Meter Maid]

I was at home Depot looking at carpet samples. Everything was polyester or olefin except for some higher end commercial nylon. If you're only going to supply crap carpet, you're not going to sell much.

Yep. Seems like the mills are trying to compete by selling cheap carpet.

 

[Mikey P]

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[Fat Mike]

We install way more lvt than carpet. We love it

 

[Old Coastie]

LVT and LVP clean beautifully and easily. Go make money,

 

[Nomad74]

time to get into rug washing.

 

[Fat Mike]

time to get into rug washing.

Really is easy for people to change things up using rugs

 

[Meter Maid]

LVT and LVP clean beautifully and easily. Go make money,

But is there a market for cleaning residential LVT? Doesn’t seem like it really needs much maintenance at all.

 

[FB7777]

Put 1100 square feet of LVP in my beach house last year and 900 sq in the basement of my primary home

both replaced mostly carpet

Best part about LVP is the continuous flow of one flooring surface room to room

Carpet squares are replacing carpet rolls as well out here

Most new carpet sucks unless it’s high end

 

[encapman]

The mills in Dalton have always maintained a very old-school approach to business. Asleep at the wheel is no way to drive an industry.

On the flip side; commercial carpet will still be a staple for businesses that require sound deadening, such as offices, classrooms, auditoriums, hotels, etc.

 

[Brian H]

I am remodeling my kitchen soon and I just picked out some nice LVT. I have not heard anyone say anything negative about using it.

 

[Meter Maid]

The mills in Dalton have always maintained a very old-school approach to business. Asleep at the wheel is no way to drive an industry.

On the flip side; commercial carpet will still be a staple for businesses that require sound deadening, such as offices, classrooms, auditoriums, hotels, etc.

I was thinking I might have to start changing my business model to commercial. I'm weird in that I detest commercial carpet. I hate working off-hours and I get bored easily.

 

[steve_64]

I feel sorry for the children being raised on LVT. All that grit and dust bunnies. I know moms are not going to sweep and mop it 3 times a day.
Then add pets on it.

It's going in on most of our new construction. Carpet in bedrooms the rest LVP or LVT. Some are already complaining about how blotchy it looks after a few months of use. Some have even put some finishes on them to make them more shiny because they dull. Not all but some seem to harder to keep looking good.

I've been recommending they put carpet in when they ask me how care for it.

 

[steve_64]

I am remodeling my kitchen soon and I just picked out some nice LVT. I have not heard anyone say anything negative about using it.

I wonder how it will hold up to sand and greasy areas.
I put in a small area of LVT and it's pretty nice. I had one spot where I didn't get it snapped in just right so there is a gap that look at way to often.
In the new construction its all installed with gaps between the boards and holds dirt. Flat mops and dust mops can't get out all the debris like a vacuum can. This is all the glue down stuff. Mine snaps together and is floating and is suppose to be a smooth finish.

It also dents easily if something is dropped on it. Kinda like linoleum.

 

[BIG WOOD]

I feel sorry for the children being raised on LVT. All that grit and dust bunnies. I know moms are not going to sweep and mop it 3 times a day.
Then add pets on it.

It's going in on most of our new construction. Carpet in bedrooms the rest LVP or LVT. Some are already complaining about how blotchy it looks after a few months of use. Some have even put some finishes on them to make them more shiny because they dull. Not all but some seem to harder to keep looking good.

I've been recommending they put carpet in when they ask me how care for it.

True they won’t sweep or mop, but they don’t vacuum or take their shoes off either on carpet, so it’s just as bad

 

[FB7777]

I wonder how it will hold up to sand and greasy areas.
I put in a small area of LVT and it's pretty nice. I had one spot where I didn't get it snapped in just right so there is a gap that look at way to often.
In the new construction its all installed with gaps between the boards and holds dirt. Flat mops and dust mops can't get out all the debris like a vacuum can. This is all the glue down stuff. Mine snaps together and is floating and is suppose to be a smooth finish.

It also dents easily if something is dropped on it. Kinda like linoleum.

Sounds like a poor install

I’ve seen 10s of thousands of sq feet and haven’t seen what you are referring to, they snap together. There should be zero gaps

 

[scotty747]

Im sticking it in my moms house this week. Whoever remodeled last built the new walls right on top of the crappy pergo. Today I gotta cut it all out with one of those vibrating saws. And her dogs have already pissed and crapped on it. Coincidentally my stepdad comes home with 100 rounds of 22's.

 

[FB7777]

On both my installs I ripped out the old mounding and installed speed base over the LVP. Covers the edges nicely and no need for those ugly quarter round pieces

 

[scotty747]

Whats speed base?

 

[Dolly Llama]

I wonder how it will hold up to sand and greasy areas.

in a home kitchen or a greasy spoon dive diner on the beach?

Like carpet, not all LVT is created equal, Steveo .
Go look at the LVT installed in commercial places like Walmart vision center or medical buildings .
The "good" stuff is prettydamn durrable

"gaps" ...it's not "seamless" like vinyl sheet goods, but shouldn't have any more or less "gaps" than any other flooring material like VCT, hardwood or any snap-lock floating plank


It's great for homeowners and most businesses.
(if you don't buy the "99cent sf special buy" cheap CRAP)

Bad for pro-cleaners ...cause it's no more or less work or trouble to clean for the homeowner than sheet good floors

Being a "woodfaq", my personal favorite is and always will be 3/4" T&G hardwood.
But damn'd if "quality" LVT isn't a great product if not installing the "real stuff"


..L.T.A.

 

[Nomad74]

Whats speed base?

It's just what they call coping that is precut in 8 and 10 foot lengths, nothing speedy about it. Except it saves you the time of chopping down a tree and milling the wood.

 

[Dolly Llama]

PEE-AZZZ

Being a "woodfaq", my personal favorite is and always will be 3/4" T&G hardwood.
But damn'd if "quality" LVT isn't a great product if not installing the "real stuff"

a good argument could be made, that is some applications, LVP would be a BETTER choice than real deal hardwood

..L.T.A.

 

[scotty747]

Thanks. That's what I got. Its going fairly fast except when I fell through the floor and had to replace a ton of rotten subfloor from and old leak.

 

[steve_64]

True they won’t sweep or mop, but they don’t vacuum or take their shoes off either on carpet, so it’s just as bad

The carpet hides it better.

Like my lawn well not mine but a nice lawn feels great under feet but is just dirt underneath.

 

[steve_64]

Sounds like a poor install

I’ve seen 10s of thousands of sq feet and haven’t seen what you are referring to, they snap together. There should be zero gaps

I'll take pictures today. I'm going clean a new condo. Probably not explaining it right but yes these guys use cheap stuff. But still want top dollar on the sale.

This is my poor install. On the left is the gap and I don't like how the seams kinda peel up neither. It's hard to get the picture to show what I mean.

 

[steve_64]

Im sticking it in my moms house this week. Whoever remodeled last built the new walls right on top of the crappy pergo. Today I gotta cut it all out with one of those vibrating saws. And her dogs have already pissed and crapped on it. Coincidentally my stepdad comes home with 100 rounds of 22's.

That's another issue I worry about. The urine sitting and leaking through the seams on a floating floor. Not sure we could treat that.

 

[Brian H]

PEE-AZZZ






a good argument could be made, that is some applications, LVP would be a BETTER choice than real deal hardwood

..L.T.A.

I have larger dogs and hardwood would not hold up the way I want it to look. We have it installed as display in one of our showrooms and I really like the way it performs even with a lot of traffic.

 

[Fat Mike]

I love the stuff for wet/dry applications does well with heavy dogs.

You get what you pay for. $5/ft is up there but you get a very nice floor.

There’s one floor we looked at is was almost $9/ft but it was 6’ long planks. An amazing floor tho. Super heavy planks. Galvanite product

 

[The Great Oz]

Larry's right about quality. I've put good LVT in a couple houses and some really expensive stuff in the lunchroom at work. I don't forsee any problems. I've also seen stuff that will crack and the entire surface (photo layer) will peel right off. It was already happening to the display at one home store.

Same thing with carpet tile. Good stuff is $100 psf, but will last 10 years in an airport. The $1 psf stuff at HD won't last a year, if you can even handle it without cracking the back.