Over PreSprayed, Under Rinsed

[Russ T.]

As you commit to this life of carpet cleaning and get many thousands of living rooms behind you, something should begin to dawn on us.

All cleaning is a matter of degree.

Agitation and pre vacuuming are the 2 most important steps that so many just seem to refuse to do. If you will commit to those things, you will set yourself apart in so many important ways.

 

[Nate The Great]

As you commit to this life of carpet cleaning and get many thousands of living rooms behind you, something should begin to dawn on us.

All cleaning is a matter of degree.

Agitation and pre vacuuming are the 2 most important steps that so many just seem to refuse to do. If you will commit to those things, you will set yourself apart in so many important ways.

The definition of "cleaning" in general can vary sooo widely, that's why there is all different types of cleaners and such... The cop out I hear is "it's cleaner than before" is such a lame one...

If you did the best possible job you could do, to the best of your ability then there's nothing wrong with that... Sometimes people come up short to that metric...

 

[Cleanworks]

This is what customers want in my opinion. Someone who does the best he can with what he has. When they observe this, they feel they got their money's worth. As we progress as carpet cleaners, we learn better chems, techniques, equipment, etc. And pass that along to our customers. A great personality helps most of all. I have customers that have been with me for over 30 years and they have grown with me in learning what can be achieved with a little knowledge and effort. We have many owner/operators on this board with similar experiences.

 

[Doug Cox]

I would think the best way to remove that soap is to use nice hard water. That is if you don't mind really stiff carpet

 

[Lwood]

I prespray and rinse according to what the job looks like and always do dry strokes. I do not have a sight tube, might need to look into get one or a wand that does. I do the A's/game board because the first time I didnt the customer called and asked why.

 

[GeeeAus]

I cannot make the 360i stop finding detergent in many homes.

Some carpets that havr mever been cleaned before foam like furry just with water under the RJE.

I love the clear tube. But it lies at times because turbulence makes anything present look like a crazy soapy mess.

 

[Mark Saiger]

I had crazy soapy mess today.

Hotel has been doing their own work with terrible equipment.

Manager said the boys have been cleaning and cleaning and cleaning... But couldn't get it clean and the smell...

Ugh!

Site tube never really cleared up.

Cut the losses... Make it look way better and hope you got enough of their stuff out

 

[Lint Basket]

I'm blaming over PreSpraying on the damn hydroforce. I'm so tired of having no faith and consistency with those things.

Deionized water is a beautiful thing. I've been using it for over a year and nothing penetrates, carries and rinses like it. Water void of mineral is aggressive and starving for mineral. Washing my truck with it is nice too.

I know people like to rinse with soft water and add tri-sodium for rinse. My thought on that is, that's a lot of sodium especially if you hooked to really hard water with your softener which is an ion exchange (2 sodium ions exchanged for every calcium/magnesium ion) . Spray that on your windshield and see how it dries. Does that much sodium in your water really rinse? IDK I'm not a chemist.

I'm with Mike on the RE being the best rinse machine. I love teflon glides on mine so I'm not as aggressive and can dry pass a ton too. I've never had better results and customers demand the RE on the next visit. However most of my jobs I try to use the 10" brushpro as a kinder approach unless trashed.

I'm prespraying a lot less product mix with DI. I'm spraying less onto the carpet. I'm going one or two rooms at a time prespray, scrub rinse, next. etc. etc. No more prespray the whole level of 5 rms all at once.

I'll post pictures of my latest project that Kemp Waterfall turned me onto to pre-spray that has me junking the hydroforce.

 

[Old Coastie]

Some of yall have the agitation and the really, really suck thing down to a science, for sure.

 

[Lint Basket]

Kemp Waterfall Pail Sprayer.

Home Depot Black lid unscrews and can be moved from bucket to bucket depending on your spraying needs.

Quick connect your spray wand off your hydroforce.

Get 25' blue air hose at Home Depot.

Find an old vacuum and steel the 20' black chord from it.

Put a stainless 8004 or 8003 tip that goes to a prochem ti wand and use that on your spray wand so you don't blow out your hole fast, (because DI chews Brass up fast).

Add an upholstery pre spray gun and feel like your in heaven prespraying upholstery by just switching out the bucket and spray gun.

One bucket of prespray does most houses.

 

[Nate The Great]

I myself was wanting to make one like that but with a Dewalt/Ryobi battery to power it.... I dislike cords... I also dislike HF's... Add a bucket dolly to it and you'd be in business....

Or get a 6-8 gallon sprayer on wheels, add the pump and battery pack... Shipping is stupid high for me to buy stuff to tinker with....

 

[ruff]

The hydro is just a tool, a convenient one if you ask me. It sprays exactly as much as its operator chooses. If one pays attention and practices a little, it will spray just the right amount.
I've tried many methods of cleaning and rinses, and seen the results year after year. Most, if done correctly, work just fine with very little rsoiling.

 

[Lint Basket]

I have enough batteries to worry about these days.

 

[dealtimeman]

Vacuum the carpet, spray the soap down, scrub the soap in, use very hot water with a good amount of flow while sucking water back out as efficiently as posible, then do extra dry passes to ensure you did the best recovery job possible. Put down a few fans in cleaned areas while you pick up your setup and collect money.

This is our new state of the art process, y'all should try it.

 

[KevinD]

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I had crazy soapy mess today.

Hotel has been doing their own work with terrible equipment.

Manager said the boys have been cleaning and cleaning and cleaning... But couldn't get it clean and the smell...

Ugh!

Site tube never really cleared up.

Cut the losses... Make it look way better and hope you got enough of their stuff out

Sounds like a perfect place to use Chemeisters "RinseMaster"

 

[Mikey P]

Vacuum the carpet, spray the soap down, scrub the soap in, use very hot water with a good amount of flow while sucking water back out as efficiently as posible, then do extra dry passes to ensure you did the best recovery job possible. Put down a few fans in cleaned areas while you pick up your setup and collect money.

This is our new state of the art process, y'all should try it.

Paul Pailliotet approved to!




RIP.

 

[Nate The Great]

Paul Pailliotet approved to!




RIP.

RIL (Rest In Love)

 

[Mikey P]

 

[steve_64]

Vacuum the carpet, spray the soap down, scrub the soap in, use very hot water with a good amount of flow while sucking water back out as efficiently as posible, then do extra dry passes to ensure you did the best recovery job possible. Put down a few fans in cleaned areas while you pick up your setup and collect money.

This is our new state of the art process, y'all should try it.

Now that I have an employee again I may start vacuuming more, might even get my own shark.

I keep having problems with my battery sprayer holding or taking a charge so I'm reverting back to my hydro force for now. It screws up my system but I'll get this sprayer working again. It needs a light so I know it's plugged in and charging. Maybe even a charge meter.

 

[DAT]

This is probably stupid and inaccurate to do, but I touch carpet to make sure it isnt slippery any more. If it is slippery to touch still when you rub it with thumb and finger, it needs more rinsing. It needs to have the friction like a well rinsed hand after washing your hand from touching all that carpet detergent.

 

[Steve Lawrence]

Excellent thread. Except for all the usual bs, lol. Printed out for my employees.

 

[steve_64]

This is probably stupid and inaccurate to do, but I touch carpet to make sure it isnt slippery any more. If it is slippery to touch still when you rub it with thumb and finger, it needs more rinsing. It needs to have the friction like a well rinsed hand after washing your hand from touching all that carpet detergent.

If you watch the carpet close while cleaning you can see some foam and feel the slickness still there. Scrubbing fast helps to see it.

 

[Loren Egland]

This is the difference cleaning the Hall before memorial, but my truck mount engine started to sputter due to a coil failing so I was not able to finish.

at the Memorial the JayDubs were telling me how much longer my cleanings last...

This picture shows what the carpet looked like after another cleaner came the same day to finish cleaning where I left off. Both of us used truck mounted hot water extraction.

 

[Lee Stockwell]

Overdue for a remodel...

 

[Loren Egland]

Overdue for a remodel...

Yup!

 

[dealtimeman]

You should partner with some locals so y'all can have each other backs if a mechanical or health or any type of scenarios that stops you from cleaning should arise.

 

[Andy]

This picture shows what the carpet looked like after another cleaner came the same day to finish cleaning where I left off. Both of us used truck mounted hot water extraction.

So what was it that he did different?

 

[Mikey P]

This is probably stupid and inaccurate to do, but I touch carpet to make sure it isnt slippery any more. If it is slippery to touch still when you rub it with thumb and finger, it needs more rinsing. It needs to have the friction like a well rinsed hand after washing your hand from touching all that carpet detergent.

Excellent point Derrick

I make my trainees do that for the first 6 months or until they develop the feel for it through other clues that come with time.

Glad to see you here neighbor!

 

[Andy]

I have never felt one wet pass was adequate to rinse out the prespray. With a hydroforce you are spraying a six flow down you will not rinse with one pass 6 flow wand. I spray on the back stroke, go forward dry, back again wet forward dry. Do a complete section that way then another dry pass.

 

[Mikey P]

Agreed

More than one rinse pass along always.
Or the king of flushers, the RVBH.