Salt-based pre-spray + metal =expensive problems

[Donwand]

I recently had my crb repaired to the tune of $660. I purchased this amazing piece of equipment through Excellent Supply in October 2015 during one of Mike'y group buys. I had no problems with the equipment; I cleaned it out almost every day that I used it. A few weeks ago it suddenly stop working.

Rod at Excellent Supply was very helpful in diagnosing the problem and sending out the power cord which fixed part of the problem. However, I had some other bigger issues with the crb, so I deciced to box it up and send it off to Reg at Carpet Cleaner America to look it over. The first thing he asked me was what my prespray of choice was. I told him I was using Procyon and he explained that this prespray is salt based and this was the the main reason for the crb's gears, bearing and other parts from corroding and damaging this thing useless.

I don't have pictures yet, but maybe Reg will see this posting and he can post some. Or maybe he can elaborate a little more on this issue.

I'm not looking forward to future problem with the crb because it's not really that old, but also I'm not ready to give up using Procyon either.

Maybe its time to switch to Saiger sauce or something similar. Has this happened to anyone else using Procyon as their prespray?

Brian

 

[SamIam]

I use it as a rinse only so no, but I have used it sparingly as a prespray.

But ya Saiger's free and a Procyon rinse in two or three fragrant intolerant customers no issues at all.

 

[hogjowl]

I'd consider the source.

 

[Jimmy L]

A simple cleaning product but oh so expensive.

 

[SamIam]

If salt corrodes cars and metal it makes sense.

I wonder if the other CRB models that can be used in standing water like from interlink would be more sealed up and safer for these uses?

 

[Mikey P]

I recently had my crb repaired to the tune of $660. I purchased this amazing piece of equipment through Excellent Supply in October 2015 during one of Mike'y group buys. I had no problems with the equipment; I cleaned it out almost every day that I used it. A few weeks ago it suddenly stop working.

Rod at Excellent Supply was very helpful in diagnosing the problem and sending out the power cord which fixed part of the problem. However, I had some other bigger issues with the crb, so I deciced to box it up and send it off to Reg at Carpet Cleaner America to look it over. The first thing he asked me was what my prespray of choice was. I told him I was using Procyon and he explained that this prespray is salt based and this was the the main reason for the crb's gears, bearing and other parts from corroding and damaging this thing useless.

I don't have pictures yet, but maybe Reg will see this posting and he can post some. Or maybe he can elaborate a little more on this issue.

I'm not looking forward to future problem with the crb because it's not really that old, but also I'm not ready to give up using Procyon either.

Maybe its time to switch to Saiger sauce or something similar. Has this happened to anyone else using Procyon as their prespray?

Brian

@Steve Lawrence had the same issues.

 

[Larry Cobb]

Procyon powder should not be causing corrosion in your machine.

The procyon I am familiar with used STPP as the primary builder.

We also use STPP in two of our powder presprays, and have not seen this problem.

STPP has a pH of 9.5 and is a water softener.
It had been used for many years in premium laundry formulas with no issues.

Which procyon product were you using in your CRB machine ?

Have you looked at the SDS to see what builders are in it ?

 

[Donwand]

Which procyon product were you using in your CRB machine ?

procyon plus powder

 

[SamIam]

 

[steve_64]

I hear my bearings getting loud now. I was thinking of disassembling it and cleaning it up. There is corrosion around the bearings.

I use prozyme plus which has a lot of salts too.

 

[Larry Cobb]

Strange formulation , strong acid base, . . .

Phosphoric acid is CAS 7664-38-2 (in SDS above)

That acid would cause metal corrosion @ 95 % .

Questions for their chemist to answer !

Any other users seeing corrosion ?

 

[Jimmy L]

"Water softener" HA!

Big bucks for a simple formula

 

[Cleanworks]

All their other products are 9-11 percent phosphoric acid. I do not believe it contains 95 percent phosphoric acid. It would be an extremely hazardous chemical. I think we are misreading what the sds sheet is saying or its a typo.

 

[Old Coastie]

I thought the gears are made of nylon. No?

 

[Able 1]

Yes, they are some sort of plastic..

 

[Old Coastie]

Here's what happens when your elves suck the cord. But I haven't seen any corrosion (this is a DP-420). Don't suck cords. It costs around $24 a gear and this sucker has 12.

 

[Mark Saiger]

Just some info to help maybe maintain your CRB units

 

[FB19087]

. Has this happened to anyone else using Procyon as their prespray?

http://mikeysboard.com/threads/10-crb-sale.284219/page-3#post-4464860

 

[carpetcleaner]

I have been using Procyon Extreme for years as my main prespray. I have been using my BrushPros for 5+ years on every job. I guess I will open my CRB up and look inside.

 

[rwcarpet]

I used Procyon Powder for over 20 years, but only as a rinse. I've moved on to some of the newer products out there for PS and rinse. Procyon still makes a hell of a give-away spotter when you mix and bottle yourself.

 

[John Olson]

You have to rinse them every job not almost every day. They look like they are built like a tank but even a tank not maintained will fall apart. Blaming it on Procyon was an easy, cheap, out for Reg to take in my opinion.

 

[steve_64]

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You have to rinse them every job not almost every day. They look like they are built like a tank but even a tank not maintained will fall apart. Blaming it on Procyon was an easy, cheap, out for Reg to take in my opinion.

When you pay $2000 for a scrubber it should last more than a year under the worst condition imo. The system should be sealed better if water is getting in the gearbox and the bearings should last longer.

Stainless side plates would be a good start. I'm thinking about seeing what it would cost me to have them made.

 

[Desk Jockey]

Truth is the first I ever heard of issues was Steve Lawrence's units. Now more users of the product are having the same issues.

Sure seems to narrow down the problem. While I agree maintenance would help, you've got to question the corrosiveness of the product.

 

[Donwand]

When you pay $2000 for a scrubber it should last more than a year

I agree, my Butler system hasn't cost me anything in 6-years, same with my Rotovac, and Zipper. I have a Thoro-matic 175 I bought in 1989 that still runs like new. I'm very anal about taking care of my equipment, I love my crb and I'll do whatever it takes to maintain the longevity of this thing, but if it goes down again soon, I'll be dusting off the 175.

 

[Cleanworks]

Mine is still pristine. I use Procyon all the time. When I get back to the shop I lay the machine on its side, turn it on and flush with a garden hose.

 

[steve_64]

Truth is the first I ever heard of issues was Steve Lawrence's units. Now more users of the product are having the same issues.

Sure seems to narrow down the problem. While I agree maintenance would help, you've got to question the corrosiveness of the product.

Honestly, I think it's the materials used in the machine. The inside plate looks to be plated. It started putting immediately. The corrosion on the ends around the bearings wouldn't be a big deal if you didn't have to replace them.

I'm happy with mine but might look elsewhere we hen it's time of replace it.
And I was going to say, I'm not the best anymore at keeping things wiped down. If I have to polish it every time I use it it's not a good tool imo.

 

[Steve Lawrence]

Stainless side plates would be a good start. I'm thinking about seeing what it would cost me to have them made.

My side plates were very corroded and one needed replacement along with both ball bearing assemblies on 2 machines. Steve, I'd be interested in upgraded ss sideplates, too, if you make that happen. I have 2-10"ers and a 20".

 

[steve_64]

My side plates were very corroded and one needed replacement along with both ball bearing assemblies on 2 machines. Steve, I'd be interested in upgraded ss sideplates, too, if you make that happen. I have 2-10"ers and a 20".

I'd upgrade the bearings too. If anyone has an old sideplate I could use I'll see what it would cost. I don't want to disassemble mine yet but I may need to soon.

I'll make some calls today to get a rough estimate maybe.

 

[Donwand]

Mine is still pristine. I use procyon all the time. When I get back to the shop I lay the machine on its side, turn it on and flush with a garden hose.

Which procyon product do you use?

 

[Cleanworks]

Which procyon product do you use?

Extreme as my prespray which gets scrubbed in with the brush pro and plus powder which is my rinse.