Meter Maid
The Undetective
Another problem with electric vans and me is that when it’s freezing, and I do VLM, I let my van run for the heat, so my stuff doesn’t freeze.
The E Transit is in your future!
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FB19087
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you'll just have to hurry.......but there is a 2.5kw powerpack on the transit so you can run an electric heater for an hour or so....or plug it into the customers house
Meter Maid
The Undetective
I’m talking about commercial jobs. A few hours.
The Great Oz
Member
Soon. This one's ready for flight testing, already has orders from freight companies and airlines. Not sure how $85 million each competes with similar sized planes (that have far longer range), so maybe right now these are being purchased for the "look at me" factor.
Eviation video
I'm certainly not against electric vehicles, and I'm glad there are early adopters that are willing to spend money on things that don't make economic sense. They're paying for research into the practical and affordable E-vehicles that will come after the next breakthrough.
The value of an electric van will be the look at me factor at this point, so think about how you can work light blue sparks into your van wrap.
Numero Uno
Member
Not SAYING 33 blower .But I am sure in under 20 yrs .There will be very good truckmounts with electric heaters and blower very capable to handle the loads . It has to happen. I simply feel I am correct here. We have to start up thinking the ways .Carpet Cleaners of the future will perform. An yes the meds have probably messed my tarded brain . That was funny... Regards.
126 miles is a very short range, i drive more than that some days.
The Great Oz
Member
The currently available electric box trucks have a 60 mile range. You'd think both van and box truck would have the ability to carry a bigger battery pack, although maybe the trucks wouldn't then have much load carrying ability.
The Great Oz
Member
Frame-mounted diesel generators to eliminate range anxiety.
Maybe that's the future. Buy an E-lectric van and then drop another 30k into frame mount generators that CARB doesn't need to know about. Bet you could get some heat out of them too.
Maybe that's the future. Buy an E-lectric van and then drop another 30k into frame mount generators that CARB doesn't need to know about. Bet you could get some heat out of them too.
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FB19087
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World's First All-Electric Passenger Plane Takes its Maiden Flight
Eviation Aircraft's Alice plane has completed its first test flight and brought passenger planes into the EV age.
jalopnik.com
The Great Oz
Member
I see the price quoted in the report I read was closer to the cost of a 737. What I get for not doing any research.
4 million-ish is pretty reasonable for a nine passenger commuter plane, so maybe there's a real business case for it.
4 million-ish is pretty reasonable for a nine passenger commuter plane, so maybe there's a real business case for it.
Mr Brightside
Member
Could the Hydramaster x drive work in an electric transit? I don’t understand how it all works
Cleanworks
Moderator
No, it's powered by the gas engine.
Mr Brightside
Member
But it’s a gas engine powering an electric generator supplying power if I understand it
Cleanworks
Moderator
Yes. An electric transit wouldn't have enough power to power both the van and cleaning unit as well as heat. The x-drive uses a generator instead of a power take off shaft but still uses heat exchangers from the vans cooling system.
Mr Brightside
Member
So if the van could just power a blower then we run a small fuel fired heater it would be good?
Cleanworks
Moderator
Sure but you need one heck of a battery to get any range out of it. Fuel fired heaters are an option but can be messy, unreliable or downright dangerous in the wrong hands. Not a great option if you have multiple techs.
Mr Brightside
Member
Crap we are doomed lol
Cleanworks
Moderator
Hydrogen may have some answers. Already they are replacing electric forklift batteries with drop in fuel cells. The technology should be adaptable for a truck mount. Hydrogen fuel cell can power an electric heater or burn just like propane in a heater.
China behind the Green New Deal? That is a conspiracy theory!
I think the plug should be in the rear since thats is how its gonna feel when you have to pay 90,000 or more for a new electric van.
Problem is they dont wanna actually burn the hydrogen, they want to use platinum to strip the electrons to make electric. So requires precious metals. Plus the emergency response team will just be a paveing team to fill the hole where your car blew a hole in the road.
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FB19087
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because the overall efficiency of burning hydrogen is shit at around 25% or lower.....
There's nothing efficient about the current selection of electric cars. Technology today should allow these cars to charge themselves. Hell, look at our current automobiles. We have an alternator that recharges the batteries. Why can't today's electric cars recharge when the wheels start turning. And solar panels? Why aren't they on the roofs? Combine the alternator with solar roofs and it should hold it's own charge. Total scam
I could answer each one of your questions, but I don't have the time. I'm going for a ride.
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FB19087
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....but they are relatively efficient
couple things here
your car is converting the energy from gasoline to electricity to charge a relatively small battery.....with about 25-35% loss
todays cars do have regenerative braking but "while the wheels are turning" is just parasitic/inefficient power (no net gain)
solar, which some have, would increase range but you would need much more surface area/collector efficiency to recharge at the rate needed for a car to charge itself under normal use (currently)
without solar (external input) you're talking about a perpetual motion machine....second law of thermodynamics and whatnot
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Cleanworks
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I agree that burning hydrogen is probably not the way to go but it's no more explosive than propane or natural gas. We don't see a lot of explosions from those vehicles.
It doesn't have to be the wheels only. They could put a belt onto the electric engine the same as gas engines to move the alternator. Alternators come in many different sizes to charge the batteries. The concept of that is to help keep the battery fully charged, not to recharge it from being a dead battery. So it's highly possible for this to be normal. Depending on plugging up the car only at a charging station or your house on a secondary charging cable is bassackwards on the technology improving.
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FB19087
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Alternators consume more power than they generate....you would be using the battery to power a device that then feeds less power back to the battery
and again there is regenerative braking....
Cleanworks
Moderator
Could use a wind up key too.
Dolly Llama
Number 5
looks like a business opportunity for you Matt.
BUTT....don't sell your TM
..L.T.A.
BUTT....don't sell your TM
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