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I just finished a pad saturation treatment for urine. I used OSR.

I saturated, water clawed, and resaturated with just water and clawed again.

Seemed fine the first day.

Then an awful smell came back but it wasn't urine. It is just a very strong ammonia smell.

Any clue what this would be or the best way to get rid of that odor?

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Old urine has a strong ammonia smell. Urine leaves the body as an acid but with time, as the bacteria count increases, it turns into an ammonia.

did you remember to clean and seal the sub floor also?
I believe the OSR instruction say NOT TO extract all the OSR and to leave some behind. did you let the OSR dwell long enough?
it take a lot more effort to remove urine then most people realize.

Check out Pro's choice's Urine decontamination videos from their website.
good luck
 

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I didn't pull pad on this job or seal subfloor. The dogs are real small and I doubt the urine reached all the way to the subfloor. I left OSR saturated for about an hour before extraction. It didn't smell like ammonia before the cleaning, just like normal urine. Now the ammonia odor is powerful.

Should I flush the pad again with just water, or do I need to pull the pad.
 

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Small dogs repeatedly peeing in same area can be many litres of urine.

I personally prefer to walk if I walk into a room and can smell it straight away, bit different if can only smell it just in the corner

Did one recently I wanted to walk on but landlord and new tenant were there and neither thought it was that bad (it was feral)

I soak spot down with acid rinse liberally let dwell 20-30min, setup rest of job and prespray with synthetic enzyme mixed with hp then rinse and extract. Roll up hoses and then apply live enzyme over spot.

@scottw has a good guide using there products
 

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Inject molecular modifier into the pad.
That's what I do when I the odor comes back.
 

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Ammonia has a pH of around 12. If you reduce the pH to below 9 the ammonia odor will dissipate. Odor encapsulants will also neutralize the ammonia odor on contact. The use of an odor encapsulant since the carpet has been cleaned is probably the best step. Our brand of odor encapsulant is called Hydrocide and can be sprayed on the surface of the carpet. We design our formula to not contribute to re-soiling by adding soil resistant polymers to counteract the sticky nature of the odor encapsulant by itself.
 
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how do you fix a worn tire? All the powders and juices can't fix Humpty Dumpty. When piss gets into and beyond the backing its game over. The products that are pushed on us look bold and promising on the labels and in person at trade shows but nothing changes the fact that carpet and pad are not engineered for liquid piss.
 

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If you'd like a copy of my training guide that deals with urine contamination, send an email request to nstoker@interlinksupply.com No charge.

There are many products that use the principal of oxidation. Same principal does not mean same quality or effectiveness. Try OSR or our PetZONE if you want to use an oxidizer.

A good first step is to use an acidic urine neutralizer like Urine Neutralizer first. Then flush the carpet. This removes a lot of the urine. Then use an oxidizer or an enzyme to finish the job. They work a lot better when most of the urine has already been flushed out.

Use plenty of ventilation when any urine removal process is in place. Think about ti this way: Most of these products are speeding up the natural decomposition of urine. When urine decomposes it produces odors, like ammonia. Speeding up this process gets rid of the odor in the long run, but temporarily increases the odor. Get the bad air out and fresh air in until the job is done. Don't close up the home or the room. Then ammonia smell will concentrate in that area rather than being diluted with fresh air.
 

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Learn when to walk on urine jobs as .............you will get that call the next day. And I agree that all the BS marketing on products is just to sell you chemical. And if the dogs still are going to live there..................no promises. You are not responsible if they live in a PISS INFESTED HELLHOLE.
 
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Urine start as a acid then flips to a alkaline the urine salts kick out a wicked ammonia smell!

Last step neutralize the urine salts and ammonia smell!

Unfortunately there’s is still urine in the carpet you treated!

HOLY STANKULATIONS BATMAN!
 

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how do you fix a worn tire? All the powders and juices can't fix Humpty Dumpty. When piss gets into and beyond the backing its game over. The products that are pushed on us look bold and promising on the labels and in person at trade shows but nothing changes the fact that carpet and pad are not engineered for liquid piss.
That's the problem. Carpet cleaners are telling the customer they can fix the problem. You can't. At best, you can improve their situation by using the right products and techniques. You can reduce and sometimes eliminate the staining. You can reduce the odor to the point where it might not be noticeable. Jimmy is absolutely right when he says if the dog, cat, boyfriend or other offender is still living in the house, the problem will re-occur. Yes, some of the urine products are over marketed bit so is everything else in this world. Its up to you to give realistic expectations to your customer.
 
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If the smell is still strong, don't play around. Pull the pad and clean both sides of the carpet with a acid rinse at 4:1. Reinstall the pad and coat the carpet with a liquid enzyme as a post treatment. Your customer will be happy you did.

If the customer was given promises, you might have to pay this second time out of pocket to make them happy. Just consider it a lesson learned
 

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I wonder how many of us have lost a customer over this issue. Could be shock or in denial on their part. Suppose you could tell them what would they do if their own kids pissed everywhere? OH NO! but doggy pee is okay!
I've had the wife walk me thru her house in bare feet stopping to point with her toe where her dog peed. Even kicking a dog turd out of the way. But we have people here..............who own............dogs............that.......allow them to...........sleep with them. WHAT A SICK SOCIETY!
 
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I love it when Jimmy gets Rouled up over people sleeping with their animals.
 

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Doesn't always have to be dogs or cats. I was called to clean a condo a couple of years ago and when I arrived they had a couple of toddlers roaming around without diapers. One of them took a dump right there. Urine stains everywhere. Lady said she didn't believe in diapers. I told her I didn't believe I could clean her carpets and left.
 
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Doesn't always have to be dogs or cats. I was called to clean a condo a couple of years ago and when I arrived they had a couple of toddlers roaming around without diapers. One of them took a dump right there. Urine stains everywhere. Lady said she didn't believe in diapers. I told her I didn't believe I could clean her carpets and left.
Coward!
 

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Hey Jimmy @Jimmy L

Get a load of this one from one of our clients!

Has the run of the house!

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I got asked to clean carpets after a tenant was evicted...6 goats
He'd "buried" 1 in the garage by putting it on the concrete and covering it with dirt from outside.

METH its a terrible drug
The property manager got upset when I flat refused after spending less than 2 minutes inside
 

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If your not pulling the pad, one has to ask themselves, just how deep do I want to try to dig.

Do you really want to attempt reaching under the pad to the subfloor?

Even if there is likely urine that has reached the subfloor due to heavy contamination?

Assuming you have explained to the customer that the "right" way to do it is by pulling the carpet and pad, and they are opting for lesser, CHEAPER service that may only offer an improvement, I think it is often better to not potentially open a can of worms by trying to remove any heavy urine deposits that have reached the subfloor.

If urine has likely reached the subfloor, especially over multiple areas, and the customer does not want to do it right, then I'm most likely not going after it unless it's only a small area or two.

If there is urine present at the sub floor, you better be sure to flush enough of it out if you have gotten it wet, activated it, and are now driving it into absorbent wood.

The poorest way to control the penetration depth of common padding treatments like OSR is by "pouring" it out of a container, nonetheless a 5 gallon bucket, so if your trying to avoid reaching the subfloor, then "pouring" any treatment is out of the question.

What I do want to reach, is down through the carpet backing and just to the top surface of the pad.

Anything deeper than that is another realm that does not like to give up it's dead, and has a serious lack of airflow for efficient drying.

I prefer applying my cocktail of choice with my HydroForce using enough to saturate the area enough that I think it will migrate down to reach just under the backing over the following five-ten minutes, and then extract and repeat the process a few times.

Finish off with some extra dry extraction and make sure the customer understands the importance of aggressive ventilation for several days.

I think even if going deep with the Homer bucket technique, multiple, short duration dwell/extraction cycles are better than one long duration over-saturation that allows the liquid to migrate around and soak deep into the wood and padding material.

It should be flushed several times anyway.
 

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If your not pulling the pad, one has to ask themselves, just how deep do I want to try to dig.

Do you really want to attempt reaching under the pad to the subfloor?

Even if there is likely urine that has reached the subfloor due to heavy contamination?

Assuming you have explained to the customer that the "right" way to do it is by pulling the carpet and pad, and they are opting for lesser, CHEAPER service that may only offer an improvement, I think it is often better to not potentially open a can of worms by trying to remove any heavy urine deposits that have reached the subfloor.

If urine has likely reached the subfloor, especially over multiple areas, and the customer does not want to do it right, then I'm most likely not going after it unless it's only a small area or two.

If there is urine present at the sub floor, you better be sure to flush enough of it out if you have gotten it wet, activated it, and are now driving it into absorbent wood.

The poorest way to control the penetration depth of common padding treatments like OSR is by "pouring" it out of a container, nonetheless a 5 gallon bucket, so if your trying to avoid reaching the subfloor, then "pouring" any treatment is out of the question.

What I do want to reach, is down through the carpet backing and just to the top surface of the pad.

Anything deeper than that is another realm that does not like to give up it's dead, and has a serious lack of airflow for efficient drying.

I prefer applying my cocktail of choice with my HydroForce using enough to saturate the area enough that I think it will migrate down to reach just under the backing over the following five-ten minutes, and then extract and repeat the process a few times.

Finish off with some extra dry extraction and make sure the customer understands the importance of aggressive ventilation for several days.

I think even if going deep with the Homer bucket technique, multiple, short duration dwell/extraction cycles are better than one long duration over-saturation that allows the liquid to migrate around and soak deep into the wood and padding material.

It should be flushed several times anyway.

There is a lot of pet
Pad today that helps a little
 

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I've never run into pet pad (that I know of) done a few "pet proof" carpets in toilets...

See carpet in a toilet about once a month just grosses me out. WHY PEOPLE??

It’s got a blue thin poly look oh ya your in the middle of NO WHERE!

it’s coming when carpet are discontinued hahahahaha
 

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