What TM would you buy?

Frank P. · Dec 17, 2006

If you had to do it all over again what TM would you buy and why?

What TM would you least be likely to buy and Why?

If you could not spend over $20K on a machine only what would you buy?

Thanks
Frank P.

vincent · Dec 17, 2006

Masterblend

Vortex

I would not buy a hydromaster, prochem, blueline, ace, bane.

Dolly Llama · Dec 17, 2006

man that's a tough one.

Probably another Powermatic.
Been running PMs for 11 years.
I know them inside and out and I haven't had the horror story problems many have seemed to have.

Who's local to you and what do they sell?
If your not mechanical enough to change worn, broken or failed parts, and do all your own scheduled maintenance, (or don't have time or care to do it) a local disty is VERY important

probably the only TM I wouldn't consider would be a Bane.
Not that they're cheap built, just lack heat, vac and PSI.

Haven't heard anything good about Namco and Chemtex.
They have a pretty poor reputation

..L.T.A.

hogjowl · Dec 17, 2006

I'd contact Aerotec and Butler.

Chris Muetterties · Dec 17, 2006

If I wanted a slide in I'd look real hard at the Master Blend El Diablo.

PTO I would look at Vortex unless heat flow and recovery was no a big issue I'd look at a Butler because so many like their dependability.

mkpol1 · Dec 17, 2006

Whitemagic all day long.

1. Reliable
2. Very Hot and consistant heat
3. Fits in van better - more space for storage

http://www.atlanticleasinginc.com/Avail ... KAGE_A.htm

Steve Smith · Dec 17, 2006

Steamway Mastermatic 4100LX

Awesome single wand performance.
Very easy to work on and maintain.

mkpol1 · Dec 17, 2006

http://www.atlanticleasinginc.com/DOWNLOADS.htm

Dolly Llama · Dec 17, 2006

Did some of youinz read this part...

"If you could not spend over $20K on a machine only"

Pretty sure Butler, V and AT don't qualify

If you know where I can get any of those new for $20K, put me down for 10.
Thanks

..L.T.A.

Numero Uno · Dec 17, 2006

Refurbished Butler,worth its weight in gold,for use,dependability and resale...

Got one for sale in a few months...

Chris Muetterties · Dec 17, 2006

Porky screwed me up so for not reading correctly.

under 20k I'd look even harder at the Master Blend

Guest · Dec 17, 2006

I'd call Ken Snow and pickup one of his units. I think he turns them over every 5 years...sometime around January or February. Either that or I'd check out the classified section on the Butler website.

From my understanding Ken has a guy that fixes all the body work, refurbs the TM, and paints the vans factory white.

White-Magic rebuilder · Dec 17, 2006

In this order...

1)Aerotech
2)Powerclean
3)Fox
1000th)White Magic

Thanks,Rob Allen.

Jimmy L · Dec 17, 2006

I heard of that WM issues too when I researched.
Even the local dist didn't recommend them.

Guest · Dec 17, 2006

I believe that i might try one of those new Steam Genies...i hear they are bullet proof.....

mkpol1 · Dec 17, 2006

I have a Whitemagic Triton and it runs great. No problems, quality parts, and good service.

Fox makes probably the simplest, most reliable truckmount

I have seen LOTS of problems with

1. ACE
2. Powerclean

My choice would be:

1. Whitemagic
2. FOX

Guest · Dec 17, 2006

Do I have to hit that damn delete button?

Chad

Brian L · Dec 17, 2006

Rick Freitas has a White Magic and I have never heard anything negative coming from him on his machine. He is quite happy with it.

Guest · Dec 17, 2006

I've ran a Steamway Mastermatic for years and luv it.
I know that machine inside and out. But it's time for an upgrade.

I'll be buying a new unit in Feb.
Been looking hard at the Butler system because it seems to be the most tech friendly. Flip a couple of switches and you're in business.

I like that because I plan on being off the truck by the end of next year,one way or the other.

But I do not like the idea of giving up the heat for convenience.
I'm also a little queasy whole the van driven thing.I've always owned slide ins.

Butler owners do seem to be well pleased though.

The larger truckmounts are for O/O's in my opinion.
I don't think I would want a tech driving it or being responsible for it.

If I don't buy a Butler,it will be a Powermatic.

Jim Williams · Dec 17, 2006

I had alot of trouble with my White Magic Commander overheating when I first got it, but I run it at a lower rpm around 3100 and it only overheats if I sit the wand down for about 10 minutes. Can't stop and talk to the customer,,gotta keep that water flowing.

Because of a nearby dealer and simplicity I will go with a Judson next time. Anyone seen thier new HX unit?

Blue Monarch · Dec 17, 2006

How much do Ken's used units go for usually?

FastEddie · Dec 17, 2006

I would get a custom made H/X, TM from John at HHX's

Guest · Dec 17, 2006

I'm not sure how Ken prices his units, but I'm sure it depends on vehicle mileage, tm hours, etc.... If I remember right....usually between $18,000 and $23,000. Some might be a little higher / lower.

Send him an email and he'll let you know all about 'em.

If you can afford new....get a Butler. I definitely don't regret getting a Butler!!!! I'll buy another one in 07.

White-Magic rebuilder · Dec 17, 2006

Jim Williams said:
I had alot of trouble with my White Magic Commander overheating when I first got it, but I run it at a lower rpm around 3100 and it only overheats if I sit the wand down for about 10 minutes. Can't stop and talk to the customer,,gotta keep that water flowing.

Because of a nearby dealer and simplicity I will go with a Judson next time. Anyone seen thier new HX unit?

Jim, you can take your wand and make a bypass with a ball valve. When you sit it down open it and it will not overheat.
...this has been my experience and is my opinion...and my heartache that has cost me enough to buy another tm in the 18 months I have owned it...

Guest · Dec 17, 2006

I'd look at the El Diablo for under $20k.

I have a Bluewave from BL and love it. With all the extra stuff I got it ended up well over $20k though. I'd get another one in a heartbeat.

Jim Williams · Dec 17, 2006

Rob, someone posted a picture recently of a bypass wand. I am looking into it. I did have one of my pods fail about a year ago. I keep my rpm down and it helps alot. I still get good dry times thanks to my greenglide.

I called WM about the problem and nobody had a clue.

Guest · Dec 17, 2006

Butler.. if 20k was my limit.

Like caes said.. a firet time TM purchaser esp..
get a refurbed one. I have done it.

its about 95% of what a new one is.. guarantee in hand..
and they are about 4k less.. than a new one.. which is 19, 995.00

I wouldnt get their wand or hoses.. and save yet another grand.

I'm getting exactly what I just suggested.. but with a higher heat option.
very soon.

So i'll back what I suggest.

Tweak that new rig.. with some 2.5'' hose.. and the higher heat... and you match the AT and V.. for owner op, one man crew machines, for hose runs of under 150'.. which is 99% of my work.. maybe 100%..

Why spend 80k... when with a van.. you can spend 42k?... its a no brainer..

Rob Lyon · Dec 17, 2006

Prochem legend xl, And I will have it right after the new year!!

All The Best, Rob

Mike Pailliotet · Dec 17, 2006

Recoil.

Guest · Dec 17, 2006

What I would buy

Blue line blue wave as a slide, otherwise a Vortex.

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