Mikey P
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Do any of you old timers recollect when the Very was added, and why?
When did LM (low moisture) become VLM (very)?
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I doubt I've had any influence on it at all, but in my classes and the training manual that I have used for a few decades, I had two cleaning methods described like this:
1. Low Moisture/Low pH. This method was the use of a neutral preconditioner applied by a mist or a foam, then followed by rinse extraction using a "dry tool" (Upholstery Pro, Drimaster, Etc) and an acid rinse.
2. Very Low Moisture. This method was at first dry foam cleaning with a sponge, and now the use of a neutral "encap product", followed by extraction using an orbital buffer and a cotton or microfiber towel.
I believe Joey Pickett uses similar terms as well.
I haven't liked using "encap cleaning" as a term for upholstery cleaning, as the concept of applying a product, brushing it in, then vacuuming a day later just doesn't make sense for fabric cleaning. The immediate removal of soil with an orbital buffer leaves the fabric dryer, softer, and nearly residue free.
Still, I doubt my upholstery cleaning concepts have made any impression in the thinking of the average VLMer out there.
hogjowl
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I’m certain Mikey coined both terms and invented the methods.
hogjowl
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Or Rob Allen …
Mikey P
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You certainly are an idiot.
James Cooper coined em both.
James Cooper coined em both.
encapman
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I think the term VLM got started back on the ICS board, or possibly on Cleanfax, by Mark Stanley. But I could be remembering that wrong.
Mikey P
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Was there one particular method or process that brought the V into it?
All I know is people walk on the carpet with shoes, very dirty shoes. Buffing it doesn't do anthing but picking up some of it and hiding the rest of it.
Get a real machine that puts out solid heat (boiling water), not tap water warmth and holds a true lift while the hoses are full of water and flush that carpet out (600-700psi).
I"m willing to bet that all the VLM'ers never had an Everest size truck mount, only Mikey370's
And those who do have Everest size truckmounts, run it on dual mode and clean with top heat. And quit being a sissy and turn up that butyl mixture (or saiger soy if you want it to sound natural, lol)
I protest buffing carpet. for all the carpet buffers...put your nose on it after it's dried from buffing and tell us how fresh it smells in the high traffic, heavy soiled areas. The nose is more accurate than the eyes
Get a real machine that puts out solid heat (boiling water), not tap water warmth and holds a true lift while the hoses are full of water and flush that carpet out (600-700psi).
I"m willing to bet that all the VLM'ers never had an Everest size truck mount, only Mikey370's
And those who do have Everest size truckmounts, run it on dual mode and clean with top heat. And quit being a sissy and turn up that butyl mixture (or saiger soy if you want it to sound natural, lol)
I protest buffing carpet. for all the carpet buffers...put your nose on it after it's dried from buffing and tell us how fresh it smells in the high traffic, heavy soiled areas. The nose is more accurate than the eyes
Mikey P
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All I smell after you pad soaking dopes leave is mildew, for weeks...
Mikey P
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thats was mean of me, reality, but mean.
KevinD
Member
Is this like when they put a L in front of Vinyl Plank?
Being mean keeps me on my toes.
Meter Maid
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I don’t believe I have any customers put their noses in carpet, but they sure look at their carpet, that generally looks cleaner for longer, using VLM.
I could run a white pad over carpet you just rinsed and see dirt.
If I keep using white pads until they are cleaner than the one I used after you rinsed, then what’s the difference?
On a good day, what does it take for carpet you rinsed to dry, four hours? On a good day? How clean do you think all that leftover water is? Any encapsulate in that dirty water? Of course not.
If you think that water is clean, run a white pad over it someday and tell us what you see. When I’m done padding a room, my white pads come up virtually dirtless.
Which carpet is cleaner? Don’t talk about cleaning depth, we all use wands with spray jets around 45° angle from the carpet surface.
Using a rotary extractor is a completely different story, but I’m guessing you don’t regularly use one?
Mikey P
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The Chosen uses a 45°, most wands are much steeper..
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Meter Maid
The Undetective
The sapphire, the evolution, the devastator, all the other higher-end wands?
Mikey P
Administrator
Correct
Mikey P
Administrator
I got an early Christmas present for you coming soon
Meter Maid
The Undetective
I like presents
Kenny Hayes
Member
That was quite the rant. Total bs, but still a rant!
Be careful what you wish for......
