Which VLM combo actually works?

[Willy P]

Remember our conversation William....this is one of those examples of why NO one likes you!

LOL

Well that's that. I tried my damnedest to not burn your ass for the last while. Shut my piehole, didn't comment on your Village Person posts or any of the other lame, weak and limp wristed stuff. -NOTHING BUT SWEETNESS AND LIGHT- Piss on that, your gonna need therapy when I finish up mopping the floor with you Chavez. Physical and mental.

THE GLOVES ARE OFF BIOTCH!

 

[Willy P]

Who the hell is that bald headed chicken$%&ker at my computer? JiMmY ?

GOD HELP ME HE'S ARMED! IT LOOKS LIKE A BATTERY POWERED CORN COB!!!

HELP ME!!

 

[Desk Jockey]

Well that's that. I tried my damnedest to not burn your ass for the last while. Shut my piehole, didn't comment on your Village Person posts or any of the other lame, weak and limp wristed stuff. -NOTHING BUT SWEETNESS AND LIGHT- Piss on that, your gonna need therapy when I finish up mopping the floor with you Chavez. Physical and mental.

THE GLOVES ARE OFF BIOTCH!

i need therapy now just dealing with you fookers. LOL

 

[Willy P]

i need therapy now just dealing with you fookers. LOL

I know for a fact you don't need sleep therapy.

 

[Willy P]

"didn't" Ofer didn't!

gimme a break I've been working all weekend. I'm tired.

Hard doing nothing - you can't take a break.

 

[Desk Jockey]

LOL so true!

 

[rhino1]

VLM necessities:

-Great vacuum
-Fiber and absorbent pads
-Quality chems
-Encap and/or pad machine
-CRB
-Spotting machine/porty

The CRB is great, but it's not a stand alone tool in most situations. For apartments I would use a CRB followed by an OP or 175 with absorbent pads. You need to use top tier chems and allow for plenty of dwell time. Also, there is no such thing as one 'go to' juice for VLM. You need to carry a few chems to get it done right.

Process you should try:

-CRB (dry)
-Vacuum
-Pre-spray
-DWELL
-Pad
-Groom

Oh my, I admire your craftsmanship, but that is alot of s**t to be carrying in and out, I thought this VLM process was supposed to be simpler and easier than running the truck, I would be half dead from dragging stuff in and out of the truck.... and yes I am fat and lazy.

 

[Desk Jockey]

 

[thecleaningdude]

You wouldn't necessarily use all of those on one job. Still, the VLM list as compared to....

-Vacuum
-Rotary
-Sprayer
-Wand
-Upholstery tool
-Spinner
-Air movers

Same scenario, you won't use them all on each and every job, but I think it evens out....

 

[ruff]

Saiger does.

.....and then a few.

 

[rhino1]

OK, now it seems like just trading one set of problems for another and I'm going to need a whole other van to carry around all the VLM tools and chems full time.

Why would I do this?

 

[Lee Stockwell]

OK, now it seems like just trading one set of problems for another and I'm going to need a whole other van to carry around all the VLM tools and chems full time.

Why would I do this?

To get carpets clean?

 

[rhino1]

I think it is pretty well understood that not all that much cleaning actually occurs with VLM, it is only actually cleaner with the post-vac process, so it is basically appearance improvement. I am only wondering if a person did the process of CRB or pilelifter, pad scrub, post bonnet, post vac, and hitting all the bad spots with a spotter.... that would make for a pretty long and grueling job compared to HWE.

 

[Lee Stockwell]

Many jobs we've cleaned for years with TM HWE actually turned out to be cleaner in the opinion of our customers, when encapped.

It hurt my feelings, but the money made me feel better.

 

[Mikey P]

Many jobs we've cleaned for years with TM HWE actually turned out to be cleaner in the opinion of our customers, when encapped.

It hurt my feelings, but the money made me feel better.

Some carpets just look muddy after HWE.

The magic crystals just leave some brighter.

 

[rhino1]

Many jobs we've cleaned for years with TM HWE actually turned out to be cleaner in the opinion of our customers, when encapped.

It hurt my feelings, but the money made me feel better.

alright, so what makes you determine which method to use, do you use HWE first, then encap if you dont like the results, is it the composition of the carpet that determines it, or is it an instance where it would be easier and faster to VLM in the situation?

 

[Desk Jockey]

We look at several things, first being soil load. If it is heavily soiled we will HWE and them pad over it with encap products to give it that pop.

If its moderately soiled we will go straight encap. Yes, distance can play into it if you are hundreds or thousands of feet from the street we will use OP to do the heavy lifting soil removal and then encap it all.

Like Lee I've tried using blistering hot water and and RE and it still "looked" better with encap. Soil removal was better with HWE but it just did not show it.

So not only does it beat the bucket brigade for drying, and production but appearance is much better too.

 

[encapman]

I think it is pretty well understood that not all that much cleaning actually occurs with VLM, it is only actually cleaner with the post-vac process, so it is basically appearance improvement. I am only wondering if a person did the process of CRB or pilelifter, pad scrub, post bonnet, post vac, and hitting all the bad spots with a spotter.... that would make for a pretty long and grueling job compared to HWE.

Not necessarily Chris. Here's what we did with VLM at the Experience show last week. The carpet had been pre-loaded with motor oil and potting soil. Scrubbed with Microbeast bonnet and Releasit juice. Results were impressive!

 

[Lee Stockwell]

Some of both.

On huge jobs under time constraints after Jon was set up with the TM, I would set up to encapsulation some of the "easy" areas, often leapfrog ging between areas he was doing.

 

[Desk Jockey]

I agree with Lee it shouldn't be "either or".

Those systems work together to give you synergy in your cleaning results.

 

[rhino1]

Not necessarily Chris. Here's what we did with VLM at the Experience show last week. The carpet had been pre-loaded with motor oil and potting soil. Scrubbed with Microbeast bonnet and Releasit juice. Results were impressive!

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Oh yeah, I saw that and I don't know if I could have done that well with the truck and a pre scrub honestly. But I do know that I couldn't have cleaned it that well with any VLM combo I have ever tried, hence my frustration with the whole process. Maybe the hard water in this area interferes.

BTW Rick, have you ever tried the Taski dry foam machine, and would it work with your products?

 

[WillS]

Weird, a year ago, everyone was anti encap/host/brushpro cleaning on here. I must have been an engine for change?

JK.

 

[encapman]

But I do know that I couldn't have cleaned it that well with any VLM combo I have ever tried, hence my frustration with the whole process. Maybe the hard water in this area interferes.

BTW Rick, have you ever tried the Taski dry foam machine, and would it work with your products?

You could've got the same results. There was no magic. It was simply a combination of three things. 1. A spicy mix of detergent. I mixed the Punch and DS2 strong. 2. The Microbeast bonnet cuts through dirt like a razor. 3. The orbital action of the Vario scrubs really well. That's all there was to it.

I've never used the Taski dry foam machine. But it will work great with Encap-Clean DS2.

 

[Lee Stockwell]

We've been sparring since Bob the Foamer last century bamblasted evil Steamers.

 

[Carbonated Carpet Woman]

What is the secret sauce?

PM your address if you're interested in a sample.

 

[Jimmy L]

Encapsulation is just a modern word for the SHAMPOO METHOD.
Use it for bonnet cleaning, thru a dry foam machine or scrub n' run.........................HELLO...............just like the SHAMPOO method. Only difference now is instead of paying $15 a gallon those internet SCAMPOO sellers jacked up the price to $40 a gallon. All marketing................all marketing BS.

 

[Desk Jockey]

James do you feel better after that little tirade?
You might consider adding a little fiber to your diet. I hear its not as binding.

 

[Old Coastie]

Guys, I don't own a TM because I am poor, impoverished and until Chavez sends me some of his nice things (don't forget me now) a TM is just out of reach.

But I have had very good success with everything from Rug Doctors to a washcloth. For encap, I use a Nacecare DP420 and it most absolutely cleans deeply. By showering and brushing through, the "magic crystals" have a fighting chance at binding any remaining soil.

BTW I get lots of fiber. Yum! Mexican Food for me!

(Will you be needing a shipping address, Chavez?)

 

[ruff]

No need for address, his 'friends' will find you.

 

[Old Coastie]

No need for address, his 'friends' will find you.

HAHAHAHAHA