RE in, Wand out..

BIG WOOD

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This thread is a lot like the, " I can out clean your TM with my porty" posts...........
We'll never know the truth. Each of us is convinced that our way is the right way. And the older we get, the more like Marty we become:marty:.

As for the guys who say that the RE gets more sand and stuff out...Explain why my devastator filter is almost empty at the end of my jobs when I prevac with my Royal and wand it. How can the RE get more out, when most of it is removed with prevaccing? That was my original point. when the job is started properly, you shouldn't need to RE it.

Someone made the comment on my Red pad175 pre scrubbing that it just scrapes the surface of the soil. If that were true, then there'd be no difference in how it looks. The process of the red pad is to break the tension by forcing the nap of the carpet to go side to side, to allow the pre spray to soak in under the soil, so the wand can get the water all the way through the soil and flush it out.
 

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You just don't get the flushing with a wand that you will with a Spinning head. You would need the Zipper Spinner to compare to.

Most guys using a wand are going to give a hit & a lick and be done. The RE is going over it so many more passes it doesn't compare.

But please don't let me damage your delusion! :winky:
 

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Matt, if you're pre scrubbing with ANYTHING then you're way ahead of the average American carpet cleaner. You already understand the value of agitation.

Add high suction and hot water flush at the same time the agitation is being performed (Rotary Extraction), and there's a magical "dig" that happens.

The weight of the RE head puts the suction DEEPER in the carpet fiber. It pulls from far deeper than the light wands of today.

The visual results between what you do with the red pad and what a lot of guys are doing with their RE are probably pretty similar.

The load of deep down crap left in the filter tells the story. If you haven't experienced it, you haven't worked with a quality modern RE enough.
 

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How do we convince Eric or Tom to build us all a rotary extractor that's built like one of their tools?

13-14 inch head with the 1/2 hp motor, brushes, and built like a tank.
 

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If needed (which is not often) I prefer to use a crb to agitate pre spray etc. If you are using equipment such as a Butler with high heat/ big blower, Hydramaster Titan , Prochem 650 or Aerotech and you have good airflow you don't need help with agitation. In my opinion there is a much greater chance of permanently damaging a customers carpet with a rotary than a wand.
 
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All great excuses.

But just that.
If needed (which is not often) I prefer to use a crb to agitate pre spray etc. If you are using equipment such as a Butler with high heat/ big blower, Hydramaster Titan , Prochem 650 or Aerotech and you have good airflow you don't need help with agitation. In my opinion there is a much greater chance of permanently damaging a customers carpet with a rotary than a wand.
 

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Vacuum really well and wand clean. Then rake with a Grandi Groomer and watch all the little bits that get flung about. The RE gets almost all of that in 1 , easy on your body step.
 
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.................and on & on & on it goes.

If only the clients cared that much.

Oh, but they do. Pretty much like they do about our IICRC certificate...........and Richard's mighty diapers :winky:

Keep on gentlemen with this fascinating, never ending subject. It will bring order to the galaxy.
 

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Matt

Your dead wrong.


I have every one of your tools.


The results you are getting now, which I'm sure look very nice, will pale in comparison to when you finally convince your wife to let you become "Premium"..

So Mikey,

Currently you are convinced that vacuuming, then preagitation with a 10" crb?? and then using a Rotovac with a brush head (properly broken in) is the ulitmate in Premium appearance cleaning?

We all know that in order to get the dirt out of the backing (Premium Cleaner not Appearance cleaner) you must become a top of the line Rug Shop with full immersion...

I know this changes from time to time. I would guess that your zipper is mainly used on commercial carpet?

Grin
 

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No Rick, you did well but no cigar...... yet.
The zipper is still used for the very last stage final extraction, general fluffing and such.
 
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hardly an argument.


You're wrong.


When I was wrong there as only the RX20 to be mistaken about, with the three or more options now, I'd really feel like a fool once I saw the light..

I have operated every RE made and find no need for them. I have bought and resold more equipment in 42 years than probably anyone here except Hagopian:icon_redface::icon_rolleyes::lol:. My customer could care less whether I use a wand, zipper, or RE extractor. The end result is the appearance and dry time. Unless you want to hire tha same company the CRI hired to prove Rug Doctor was an approved cleaning method, this is all mute. I have increased my hourly income every year since 1998 by using the process that generates the most income in the shortest period of time. I am in business to make money for me, if the industry giants come out with a piece of equipment that helps me with this goal I will buy it. If it is not efficient they can give it to you.
 

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More excuses.

You bought the worlds' most powerful truckmount yet the guy down the street with a 13K slide in and a 360i Brush head is doing a better job...lol



I could care less what you do Ron but your advice is not doing the new guys here any favors.
 
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More excuses.

You bought the worlds' most powerful truckmount yet the guy down the street with a 13K slide in and a 360i Brush head is doing a better job...loli



I could care less what you do Ron but your advice is not doing the new guys here any favors.
More excuses.

You bought the worlds' most powerful truckmount yet the guy down the street with a 13K slide in and a 360i Brush head is doing a better job...lol



I could care less what you do Ron but your advice is not doing the new guys here any favors.
No excuses here;), This thread started out asking how you are running your ineffeciant RE into a room or out of a room.
I am trying to help the new cleaners by pointing out that you don't need to buy every new piece of equipment some salesman tells you to buy. Your statement about some guy down the street out cleaning me is halarious considering your past purchases of equipment. I have competed with those same people for my entire career watching them get into business only to bankrupt themselves buying every piece of equipment some salesman told them they needed.
I understand your need to please your vendors, but don't dress it up as trying to help, I thought that was Rob's job.
 
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Please my vendors?

Ron I have an RE on all three trucks.

Take the Aerotech and any scrubber and a Ti wand on one side of a filthy pile carpeted room and take my 370 with the 360i brush head on the the side, and you can guess who will deliver the better deep down results. I know this as a fact. You dont. You are speculating based on an experience you had with an outdated RX20 and a truckmount you no longer have.

Now will a guy with zero personality and the 360/BH get a customer to call back? No. Will the guy wiht the AT who can charm the pants off Mrs Piftleton keep her for life with his good enough cleaning, you bet.


But if you ever can't get to a job or call in sick and MRs P has to look elsewhereand a sweet talking mofo like me shows up with his RE, you can kiss her loyal ass goodbye.


Saying that I am pushing RE sales to satisfy my vendors, and not to help cleaners better their results just shows me that you know better and are trying to cover up the fact that you knowingly are taking short cuts for the almighty dollar.

Shame on you.
 

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I started out Rotary scrubbing carpet in 1975, only, in 1976 I started a dual process of scrub and extract with a portable. In 1978 I rotary scrubbed and extracted with a truck mount. I rotary extracted with a truck mount for a short period of time. I have cleaned hundreds of thousands of yards of carpet more than you in 42 years. You asked the question that started this conversation, if you don't want honest response, don't ask the question. I would welcome competing with you on any level as I know what the outcome would be.
 

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My $ would be on Mike and his 370 pushing the 360i with brush head.

There would be no comparison on shaggy, thick pile, filthy carpet.

I don't care how big the Truckmount is.

Now attach a RE onto the Aerotech , then you've got something!
 
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