Another fine JMA product..

[Larry Cobb]

The small DIY bathtub gin makers have more trouble with consistency batch to batch compared to the big boys or smaller outfits that have legit chem manufacturers private label it

Been my observations anyway...and why I stick with Prochem and Bridgepoint for the most part

LTA

One of the "big boys" you mentioned is currently having problems with a powder product made for grout cleaning . . .

"Interlink totally fu--ed Rob bad. the samples interlink sent out to a few of us when the whole thing started was NOT what they sold everyone in the end. Interlink says they didnt change the formula, but they are 100% full of XXXX" Rich T.

As far as the PowerMax production goes, the key raw materials have not changed . . .
The production man who makes every batch is very concerned with the quality of every batch . .
As far as Jim Martins photos go, the only time I have seen those types of product was due to excessive moisture getting into the product . . . Caking does not have any effect on performance, but it does,of course, make the product hard to use.

At 45,000 sq. ft. , we are NOT a DIY bathtub gin maker . . .

By the way, I just got back from New Orleans ARCS annual convention,
where I was invited to do a 2 hour program on spotting for the top cleaning specialists in the country.

 

[Mikey P]

He's probably having Tony mix it up for him in Vietnam....

Take care,
Lisa

touch'e


as Ken would say..

 

[Mikey P]

"interlink totally fu--ed Rob bad.

Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.


Did Rob **** Dr Aziz to go with Interlink?

 

[FredC]

where I was invited to do a 2 hour program on spotting for the top cleaning specialists in the country.

and they needed your spotting help? Did Waldo create the list?

 

[dealtimeman]

we had that happen to 1 tub years ago but i have checked the 3 - 45 pounders we have and all are as fluffy as can be.

i will say that, if i was jim, i too would be frustrated and looking for other avenues if i continued to have problems like the caking of product.

for us we keep several brands of pre spray in certain amounts just for this unforeseeable issue. we have a few buckets of different companies stuff on hand just so we don't have a circumstance that will cause frustration.

not everyone stocks up, or even has the room to stock up on chems and supplies, but for us it works well as we try never to be in a situation that we have to scramble to get chems or a chem went bad and we are stuck.

 

[JS41035]

Larry offered to replace both free of charge. I don't know what else you could expect from a supplier.

 

[dealtimeman]

oh yeah as justin stated, larry and ray didn't flinch in replacing the bad bucket, but again i understand the frustration that could or would happen if i was stuck like chuck without chems.

 

[tubad sosad]

hey larry, what board do those cleaning special guys go on....i'd love to be a lurker there and see what they say when any camera phones are turned off. there are guys here with 10, 15, 20 years experience., arent they cleaning specialists too?

also check your room bill. maybe they just wanted you busy for two hours so they could raid the mini bar and watch pay per view without the wives getting mad.

I do have a serious question for you Larry cobb. is the P max supposed to stay in the big bucket untill all used up or would it be better to maybe split it up into 4 or 5 smaller batches? and if it stays in the big container you ship it in should it be completely mixed before using it the first time? or how often should it be mixed while it is being used? i have no idea how long it takes for someone to use up 45 pounds of powermax but i think mixing it so oftern has got to help. maybe money will chime in but he probable goes thru it faster since he has techs and is not an o/o

 

[Jim Martin]

this is the first time I have ever had 2 pails brick like that...both came that way....and they did not clean well at all...

Pails I have gotten before was the same gritty sand mix not the fluffy yellow....and there cleaning abilities were horrible .....I have never had to add things to powermax before to get it to clean...but for the last year or so I have had to boost it up and still use spotters when I clean....

this stuff here is at least 6 months old...and it still is nice and soft and can clean anything out there with no problems...

As far as the PowerMax production goes, the key raw materials have not changed . . .

If now what you are saying to be true...then why isn't the powermax being made the way it use to...

every pre spray that we cleaners get from other companies is dead on the money every single mix...very consistent and we can depend on it being the same every mix....

I am not here to influence people to use or not use anything....I only say what I find works and what is not working anymore.....and right now powermax seems to have gone from bad to worse and as hard as I have tried to get this stuff back where it use to be it appears that it will not be the case...

after the last few pails that I got ( and I tried my best to work with it but it was just not going to clean )...I made a few calls and it was suggested that I try red line and that stuff did everything the the old power max use to....

 

[Mikey P]

maybe money will chime in but he probable goes thru it faster since he has techs and is not an o/o

Who are you talking about there tossed salad?

 

[Dolly Llama]

At 45,000 sq. ft. , we are NOT a DIY bathtub gin maker . . .

I HIGHLY doubt your chem making section is anything but a small part of your whole facility .
Maybe someone borrowed the "production man's" aluminum coal shovel to use as a dust pan and the mixing guy had to use an alternative method less calibrated than 8 "heaping shovel fulls" to load the mixer





..L.T.A.

 

[hogjowl]

Duane literally mixed his stuff up in a wheelbarrow. Didn't matter to me. If I could have gotten his bills on time and if he'd answered the phone during the day, I'd still be using his stuff.

 

[Dolly Llama]

Duane literally mixed his stuff up in a wheelbarrow. Didn't matter to me. If I could have gotten his bills on time and if he'd answered the phone during the day, I'd still be using his stuff.

DooDaddy's problem wasn't consistency...he was very consistent...consistently lackadaisical

..L.T.A.

 

[dgardner]

Wow - haven't heard that word since my dad..... never mind....

 

[Lee Stockwell]

Wow - haven't heard that word since my dad..... never mind....

I can't imagine he was talking about....you?

 

[Goomer]

...both came that way....and they did not clean well at all...l

One would think, that regardless of the reasons for the inconsistency issues of PM, whether warranted or not, given such a well publicized, long term issue of such a prominent member here in JM, that any incoming order of PM from him would sound the alarm bells over in CobbyWorld, and Larry himself would be climbing the pallet of 5-gal pails and hand picking a pail specifically for him.

Hell........ he should have a private vault stocked with the premo shit, just for JM........Jeezz............Squeaky wheel gets the fooking grease.

Just sayin...........

 

[Mikey P]

You'd think.

 

[dgardner]

Yeah - save the hard-as-a-brick stuff for Willy.

 

[dealtimeman]

Willy prefers the last over concentrated 10 percent in the blue bucket kind of stuff.

And for willy it was the lack of correction that got to him I believe.

 

[billyeadon]

Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.


Did Rob **** Dr Aziz to go with Interlink?

Dr. Aziz made the first batches. After that he didn't know he wasn't going to make it anymore till he read that someone else was making the product. But it wasn't his formula.

 

[Jim Martin]

One would think, that regardless of the reasons for the inconsistency issues of PM, whether warranted or not, given such a well publicized, long term issue of such a prominent member here in JM, that any incoming order of PM from him would sound the alarm bells over in CobbyWorld, and Larry himself would be climbing the pallet of 5-gal pails and hand picking a pail specifically for him.

Hell........ he should have a private vault stocked with the premo shit, just for JM........Jeezz............Squeaky wheel gets the fooking grease.

Just sayin...........

I am not the only one who has had a problem with the quality.....That service should be going out to everyone.......

 

[Mikey P]

Dr. Aziz made the first batches. After that he didn't know he wasn't going to make it anymore till he read that someone else was making the product. But it wasn't his formula.

So Rob forgot to tell him he was fired?

 

[FB7777]

I HIGHLY doubt your chem making section is anything but a small part of your whole facility .
Maybe someone borrowed the "production man's" aluminum coal shovel to use as a dust pan and the mixing guy had to use an alternative method less calibrated than 8 "heaping shovel fulls" to load the mixer





..L.T.A.

 

[Mikey P]

Speaking of the t m f chems, are board members ever able to discuss other products without Rob or a Mod pushing Preload46 on them?

 

[hogjowl]

One would think, that regardless of the reasons for the inconsistency issues of PM, whether warranted or not, given such a well publicized, long term issue of such a prominent member here in JM, that any incoming order of PM from him would sound the alarm bells over in CobbyWorld, and Larry himself would be climbing the pallet of 5-gal pails and hand picking a pail specifically for him.

Hell........ he should have a private vault stocked with the premo shit, just for JM........Jeezz............Squeaky wheel gets the fooking grease.

Just sayin...........

We're a small fraction of the industry. (And, inbred, I might add.) we matter much more within our little world than to the world at large. Like my favorite supplier TCS, I am sure the vast majority of Cobb's customers have never heard of this board.

And, they all faithfully mix their PM at 8 oz per gallon.

Even if they have to chizzle it out of the bucket once every 10 years or so.

 

[Jimmy L]

Heard that most of cobby's customers are of the apartment hack/mexican variety.

So who the hell is this "Toobad Sosad" guy?

 

[hogjowl]

Heard that most of cobby's customers are of the apartment hack/mexican variety.

So who the hell is this "Toobad Sosad" guy?

I suspect that's true. That is precisely the case with TCS, and Mike has to remind me every now and then that my "unique" bulletin board generated needs make him zero dollars, in the grand scheme of things.

 

[Mikey P]

We're a small fraction of the industry. (And, inbred, I might add.) we matter much more within our little world than to the world at large. Like my favorite supplier TCS, I am sure the vast majority of Cobb's customers have never heard of this board.

And, they all faithfully mix their PM at 8 oz per gallon.

Even if they have to chizzle it out of the bucket once every 10 years or so.

and to touch on Marty's very accurate opinion of this tiny industry, the van manufacturers don't give us a second though when it comes to designing no drill zone floors or CDS/PTO capable vehicles.

2000 vans a year in the best of times means nothing to them.

 

[Larry Cobb]

Jimmy ;

You do remind me of Archie Bunker . . .

 

[Larry Cobb]

hey larry, what board do those cleaning special guys go on....i'd love to be a lurker there and see what they say when any camera phones are turned off. there are guys here with 10, 15, 20 years experience., arent they cleaning specialists too?

I do have a serious question for you Larry cobb. is the P max supposed to stay in the big bucket untill all used up or would it be better to maybe split it up into 4 or 5 smaller batches? and if it stays in the big container you ship it in should it be completely mixed before using it the first time? or how often should it be mixed while it is being used? i have no idea how long it takes for someone to use up 45 pounds of powermax but i think mixing it so often has got to help. maybe money will chime in but he probable goes thru it faster since he has techs and is not an o/o

The Rug Plant owners are dealing with more expensive rugs on a daily basis .
The owners are willing to spend many dollars per sq. foot to have all the spots removed, or even repaired and redyed. Very few people on this board have the expertise to reweave & redye a rug.

Since, you mentioned changing the containers, I also noticed that Jim is using a different container than the one we ship in. Another potential way for moisture to be introduced, although he does live in a dry climate.
In our climate here in Dallas, leaving the top off of our 6 gal pails for a while, will leave a hard crust on the top layer of the powder.