For HWE'rs - Your Best Alternative
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Mardie
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Zee
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John G, what is all the "knowledge" you keep referring to that we all supposedly lack of?
The fact, that a number of us here- participating actively- can say out loud that we use multiple different methods on a daily bases, doesn't bother you? Would it be better if a bunch of us just said: low moisture is the only way and is the future of carpet cleaning? Would that make us the beholder of That knowledge?
I just did another low moisture op job and (gasp!) I did an excellent job. It is a location that tm can not access....
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The fact, that a number of us here- participating actively- can say out loud that we use multiple different methods on a daily bases, doesn't bother you? Would it be better if a bunch of us just said: low moisture is the only way and is the future of carpet cleaning? Would that make us the beholder of That knowledge?
I just did another low moisture op job and (gasp!) I did an excellent job. It is a location that tm can not access....
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bob vawter
Grassy Knoller
Desk Jockey
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No who cares about method. Its all about the dollars $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$Funny how every other post is a MB moderatorCould it be that MB has a HWE agenda
Mardie
Member
Bawb you should go back to the Rubber Room. You fit in much better their. Out here you just come across as a blow hard.
bob vawter
Grassy Knoller
the word is THERE......bozo!
advice:
quit making a fool of yorsef.........
bob vawter
Grassy Knoller
Lee Stockwell
FOJL
John you should know better. We've been having this discussion for over 15 years now.
OP is a good tool....but only that. Most of us here recognize its value enough to have one in our mix. I have TWO that you sold us. I used one of them a few minutes ago. After 40+ years cleaning carpets I am not going to quietly let newbies get misled. OP is not the ideal all-purpose stand alone cleaning system. It's close, but there are situations where it comes up short.
If I honestly believed OP was the best solution I would say so. It is only so for those who are new or inexperienced in the business, or for those who sell it.
Sorry Lee, but the trinity is no ordinary OP machine at all, and my statement about dis-information stands, the idea that trinity users do not clean as well is bs, and unlike ALL THE GUYS HERE< it is
documented as well. Never have we seen so many converting to trinity cleaning as now, never so many old time hwe'rs changing over.
Of course they do this for their customers, not to impress the HWE biased bunch here. Most trinity users buy multiple machine, run several trucks, unlike OP of the past.
Just because the guys here defend HWE to the hilt without KNOWING what they are talking about... doesn't effect cleaners in the real world.
I would guess the ONLY reason I see no testing results from HWE guys is because they are embarrassed to show them.
I test enough to KNOW, what a certain group THINKS means very little to me.
First off, I have never cared WHAT system a person uses, just don't like someone lying about the one they have no clue about.
documented as well. Never have we seen so many converting to trinity cleaning as now, never so many old time hwe'rs changing over.
Of course they do this for their customers, not to impress the HWE biased bunch here. Most trinity users buy multiple machine, run several trucks, unlike OP of the past.
Just because the guys here defend HWE to the hilt without KNOWING what they are talking about... doesn't effect cleaners in the real world.
I would guess the ONLY reason I see no testing results from HWE guys is because they are embarrassed to show them.
I test enough to KNOW, what a certain group THINKS means very little to me.
First off, I have never cared WHAT system a person uses, just don't like someone lying about the one they have no clue about.
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FredC
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Hell...you know the machine inside and out and still lie about it....why deprive us of the same right?
and why do you hate the orphans John?
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FB7777
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The OP hillbilly reminds me of the early days of the bulletin boards circa 1999-2000
Bunch of broke backward buffoons shilling for each other and none of them had any modicum of success or nickels to rub together
Bunch of broke backward buffoons shilling for each other and none of them had any modicum of success or nickels to rub together
Lee Stockwell
FOJL
I bought the original blue one for a MSU Law library with 80 year old wool carpet with delicate seams.
I later bought the red Conqueror because it was more powerful and a little faster. I told you then it was a good tool, but most pros wouldn't care to use it exclusively. Only functional difference was it rubbed faster.
NOW, same mindset and same line of salemanship, if I may observe: "THIS MACHINE RUBS EVEN FASTER, you HAVE to have it!"
....it's just a tool John. Probably great for similar things the Cimex is used for. You are missing many sales by choosing hyperbole instead of reason.
I later bought the red Conqueror because it was more powerful and a little faster. I told you then it was a good tool, but most pros wouldn't care to use it exclusively. Only functional difference was it rubbed faster.
NOW, same mindset and same line of salemanship, if I may observe: "THIS MACHINE RUBS EVEN FASTER, you HAVE to have it!"
....it's just a tool John. Probably great for similar things the Cimex is used for. You are missing many sales by choosing hyperbole instead of reason.
bob vawter
Grassy Knoller
dayuuum......killa!
FredC
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No your lying makes you a liar.
You got that math problem figured out yet?
You got that math problem figured out yet?
Mikey P
Administrator
John if you are preaching that pad cleaning removes more soil than a proper HWE than you sir, are indeed a liar.
Lee Stockwell
FOJL
John why do you say all that?
bob vawter
Grassy Knoller
If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit
W.C. Fields
W.C. Fields
Lee Stockwell
FOJL
So you want me to order my next batch of pads where?
ruff
Member
This is all just a huge misunderstanding.
This is what John G. meant to say:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfwN0X8YnWo
This is what John G. meant to say:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfwN0X8YnWo
Jack Zipper Zerkie
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In 1981 when I was young I started with a junk portable and was ashamed of my cleaning ability. I talked to the local supply house here and he said try this. They gave me a von schrader to try. The first job was a old double with a shag green yellow and red in color. The carpet was in bad shape but the unit was vacant. I used the VS on the large room and the used the portable to rinse and extract half of the room .
The next day when I checked the carpets there was a BIG difference. The side that was VS was okey but the extracted side was much brighter and cleaner. I re cleaned the other side again with the extractor. I have a orbot but never learned to get the great results as I do with my truckmount. I<M still cleaning at the same location 33 years later. My tradmark on my cards and on my truck says Dirty white carpets are my specialty.and yes I do make them white again. I really enjoy cleaning dirty carpets. I found out that you can use any type of floor machine on carpets but you must remove the products that you clean with to make the cleaning cycle complete.jz.
The next day when I checked the carpets there was a BIG difference. The side that was VS was okey but the extracted side was much brighter and cleaner. I re cleaned the other side again with the extractor. I have a orbot but never learned to get the great results as I do with my truckmount. I<M still cleaning at the same location 33 years later. My tradmark on my cards and on my truck says Dirty white carpets are my specialty.and yes I do make them white again. I really enjoy cleaning dirty carpets. I found out that you can use any type of floor machine on carpets but you must remove the products that you clean with to make the cleaning cycle complete.jz.
That was a general statement to the bbs Lee, yes I did think the response was PC, however, never once has any proof been given here or results of any REAL testing been given.,
So it is a LOT of opinion.
Like always, the mods come out in full force ....
So it is a LOT of opinion.
Like always, the mods come out in full force ....
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I'd like to see a Maxi pad soak this up, lol
Your crying about testing here, it's redundant. Find a new bitch buddy!
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I'd like to see a Maxi pad soak this up, lol
Your crying about testing here, it's redundant. Find a new bitch buddy!
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Mardie
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^^^^Chris you really don't have a clue do ya^^^^^ Funny how one cleaner will see things as a challenge and another cleaner will see it as a no brainer.
bob vawter
Grassy Knoller
and another cleaner will see it as a no brainer.
well it's clear which side YOU are on.....
Jack Zipper Zerkie
Member
Nice pics. I have had the same results on the same type of carpets. The problem is the vacent section 8 units the time and effort are shorter with a truckmount and the results for me are what I,m looking for.Thats not always the same for other cleaners so use what works the best and afforadable to you. jz.
Lee Stockwell
FOJL
I can make it LOOK the same with either one.
When done HWE would pull more out of the OP job. OP would get a pad dirty on the HWE job.
John would rather lose the war than adjust his strategy. He could have spent the last few years selling thousands of machines to cleaners like me who just want another good tool on the truck.
Instead he'd rather position it as the next miracle machine to replace all others. Makes me sad actually.
When done HWE would pull more out of the OP job. OP would get a pad dirty on the HWE job.
John would rather lose the war than adjust his strategy. He could have spent the last few years selling thousands of machines to cleaners like me who just want another good tool on the truck.
Instead he'd rather position it as the next miracle machine to replace all others. Makes me sad actually.
^^^^Chris you really don't have a clue do ya^^^^^ Funny how one cleaner will see things as a challenge and another cleaner will see it as a no brainer.
To be Honest, Kinda : )
You may be just a Cleaner, But I do not look at it like that. To me this is A New Learning Experience everyday. Would I pad based on past threads and the filth you and G spew, If I had no other choice.
Kinda like if you and I wuz the last ones on earf, youd stillz get a buttrapin : )
