Mardie
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I knew you would like that one lol
Vortex replaced by a floor buffer
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infamousdave
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There are only 43 Brands in the world that are more premium than Ford since it is number 44 on the list of the world's most valuable brands.
Of course Ford has changed their product line names. Does Taurus or Fiesta ring a bell?
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infamousdave
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1. I don't think John is claiming that all of the dirt comes out on the pads these days. I think he is touting more of an encap process where the post vacuuming does some of the work as well.
2. Do you pre-vacuum before you HWE? How about post vacuum? I'm pretty sure most don't and if you don't that would account for the pound of muck in your filter, that's what's in my vacuum bag.
3. As far as the dirty water goes, you could agitate those 4 pads from your example above in your 20-30 gallons of clean water and it will look exactly like the water you pulled out of the carpet only I will not have left another 10-20 gallons of that dirty water in the carpet when I leave.
What you can't match is:
I have lower overhead so I can charge less and still make more.
I live in a cold climate so I don't have to worry about expensive equipment freezing up
I don't have to find a place to dump 50-100 gallons of dirty water LEGALLY every day.
I don't leave the customer's front door open to let in the cold or let out their pets.
I don't drag dirty hoses around the customer's house to scratch their hardwood floors or drywall corners.
By the time I leave the first rooms I did are usually dry and ready to use.
I've never had one single customer say that their carpets did not look as good or better than they did the last time an HWE guy did them.
I've had several customers tell me that I got out stains that the last HWE guy did not.
At the end of the day all that matters is that my customers are happy, I feel good about the job I did and I got paid.
Zee
Supportive Member
Without reading the following posts after this...I just have to throw this in there (and I have faith in others also will point it out): There is nothing premium about Ford Chevy Dodge...
Have you heard of some of the actual premium auto brands?? Yes pretty much all European brands..
Zee
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infamousdave
Member
Goes to prove that both of our methods work, wouldn't you say?
Yes we use the Trinity as a straight encap machine, plus we market it as a money making tool.
30 Days a Cleaner: How a new and inexperience carpet cleaner grossed over $9,000 his first month with a Trinity Freedom and VacAway Products
Monday Night at 9PM EST
sure this will probably be taken down, but remember, I am showing my cards and letting people make up their own minds.
30 Days a Cleaner: How a new and inexperience carpet cleaner grossed over $9,000 his first month with a Trinity Freedom and VacAway Products
Monday Night at 9PM EST
sure this will probably be taken down, but remember, I am showing my cards and letting people make up their own minds.
Oh I am in total agreement that OP is a useful tool in the Rig. Never disagreed about it. Did I stab at G? Of course, its good for him.
The sadistic one way only approach that is being spewed about it is starting to rattle some deep dark voodoo in some a the guys : )
Notice all the other OP salesman have been rather quiet lately......
There is a lesson to be learned in that itself, and I for one as a part of this community appreciate it and will remember it when an equipment purchase in on the books : )
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Lee Stockwell
FOJL
It will stay up longer than a similar reciprocal plug would stay up on your boards.
Shane Deubell
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Its a 20 year old argument, this is more like comedy hour then serious discussion.
Very few successful cleaners are cleaning just carpets with 1 method. For the millionth time almost all of us use low moisture to some degree.
we have 3 and a half cimexs and use them daily.
infamousdave
Member
How do you use the half Cimex?
Steamin McFadden
Member
Dave--"1. I don't think John is claiming that all of the dirt comes out on the pads these days. I think he is touting more of an encap process where the post vacuuming does some of the work as well.
2. Do you pre-vacuum before you HWE? How about post vacuum? I'm pretty sure most don't and if you don't that would account for the pound of muck in your filter, that's what's in my vacuum bag. --DAVE
3. As far as the dirty water goes, you could agitate those 4 pads from your example above in your 20-30 gallons of clean water and it will look exactly like the water you pulled out of the carpet only I will not have left another 10-20 gallons of that dirty water in the carpet when I leave. I]
Steamin Mc----As for point 1) John is claiming that his test shows that OP removes more contamination form a carpet then HWE. That's what I was challenging, pay attention Dave.
Point #2 Yes I do pre vacuum, and I still get all that gunk in my filter, WAY more gunk then a few pads can hold,,, and that is the point to be made.
Point #3 No Dave you are so wrong thinking a few pads will blacken 30 gallons of water to the same degree as waist tank water. I ran pads for years and know what filthy pads will do to water, the waist tank on a dirty job is a different animal. And wrong again in the silly assumption that 10 - 20 gallons of water would be left behind on a job where 30 gallons was recovered, That fact that you think this is true tells me VLM propaganda has gotten ahold of you.
However, thank you for addressing the points raised , this is the way to have a discussion/debate.
2. Do you pre-vacuum before you HWE? How about post vacuum? I'm pretty sure most don't and if you don't that would account for the pound of muck in your filter, that's what's in my vacuum bag. --DAVE
3. As far as the dirty water goes, you could agitate those 4 pads from your example above in your 20-30 gallons of clean water and it will look exactly like the water you pulled out of the carpet only I will not have left another 10-20 gallons of that dirty water in the carpet when I leave. I]
Steamin Mc----As for point 1) John is claiming that his test shows that OP removes more contamination form a carpet then HWE. That's what I was challenging, pay attention Dave.
Point #2 Yes I do pre vacuum, and I still get all that gunk in my filter, WAY more gunk then a few pads can hold,,, and that is the point to be made.
Point #3 No Dave you are so wrong thinking a few pads will blacken 30 gallons of water to the same degree as waist tank water. I ran pads for years and know what filthy pads will do to water, the waist tank on a dirty job is a different animal. And wrong again in the silly assumption that 10 - 20 gallons of water would be left behind on a job where 30 gallons was recovered, That fact that you think this is true tells me VLM propaganda has gotten ahold of you.
However, thank you for addressing the points raised , this is the way to have a discussion/debate.
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bob vawter
Grassy Knoller
anyone ever worked on the figures of heating water..the cost of water and the soap costs it takes to clean those pads let alone the time and effort after a hard days work..PLUS the wear and tear of using the washer and dryer every day...
more and more direct drives are going wit the free AND safer heat of HX.......
more and more direct drives are going wit the free AND safer heat of HX.......
Ya beat me to it lol. : )
He shoulda seen that coming : )
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Shane Deubell
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It was a joke...
We have this old battle wagon that you have to kick a couple times to get her going.
Basically a back up.
Those machines always make the best memories : )
I can see ya kickin the snot outta that thing an someone walk in, lol
I love old battle wagons.
Ol' Rusty is a 15 inch Mastercraft scrubber I bought for $200 15 years ago. I abuse the crap out of it and it just keeps going.I've done nothing to it, not even a plug end. I have 3 other scrubbers, but this old girl is my go to. mSometimes, things are just built well.
AshleyMckendree
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As ive said before, I own both a Trinity and a Vortex. I would NOT run my business solely on VLM or HWE...
I have NO ulterior motive, I simply go on the things I can SEE, real results.
Here are two examples,
1st, Photos of our Trinity cleaning Carpet squares we have NEVER been able to get clean with HWE. We can go over and over it until the water runs clear, nothing makes this stuff look better... Except Orbital Cleaning, Our Trinity out-performing our Orbots by about 10% faster cleaning speed, our Cimex's yeild the same results as well on these same carpet squares, but tend to have more wicking issues.
2nd photo is a heavily soiled area we clean weekly, mostly with the trinity as it yeilds great looking results and has almost zero wicking,
BUT due to all the back & forth on what removes more soil, I decided to do a real world test, Clean the entire thing with the Trinity, Pre-Vac with a super powered pile lifter, and follow with our fire breathing TM with a Zipper to see if we extract any soil, or if the sight tube would be clear:
(The right side is after being cleaned with HWE)
The sight tube not only looked like thick chocolate milk was coming out, our in-line filter was so full of grit and soil it must have weighed 10 pounds. This is with using both sides of 15 Microfiber pads, and 5 Gladiator pads afterwards to make sure it dried quickly. And our Pile lifter vacuum bag nearly full.
The carpet also was dry within 20 minutes after one additional dry stroke with the zipper, whereas we waited 45 minutes for it to dry after VLM cleaning.
The way I see it, VLM cleaning; especially with a superior tool like the Trinity will yield incredible visual results, But to truly remove the incredible amounts of soil I run in to, you need not only high flow/heat and insane vacuum, but good chemistry.
I have NO ulterior motive, I simply go on the things I can SEE, real results.
Here are two examples,
1st, Photos of our Trinity cleaning Carpet squares we have NEVER been able to get clean with HWE. We can go over and over it until the water runs clear, nothing makes this stuff look better... Except Orbital Cleaning, Our Trinity out-performing our Orbots by about 10% faster cleaning speed, our Cimex's yeild the same results as well on these same carpet squares, but tend to have more wicking issues.
2nd photo is a heavily soiled area we clean weekly, mostly with the trinity as it yeilds great looking results and has almost zero wicking,
BUT due to all the back & forth on what removes more soil, I decided to do a real world test, Clean the entire thing with the Trinity, Pre-Vac with a super powered pile lifter, and follow with our fire breathing TM with a Zipper to see if we extract any soil, or if the sight tube would be clear:
(The right side is after being cleaned with HWE)
The sight tube not only looked like thick chocolate milk was coming out, our in-line filter was so full of grit and soil it must have weighed 10 pounds. This is with using both sides of 15 Microfiber pads, and 5 Gladiator pads afterwards to make sure it dried quickly. And our Pile lifter vacuum bag nearly full.
The carpet also was dry within 20 minutes after one additional dry stroke with the zipper, whereas we waited 45 minutes for it to dry after VLM cleaning.
The way I see it, VLM cleaning; especially with a superior tool like the Trinity will yield incredible visual results, But to truly remove the incredible amounts of soil I run in to, you need not only high flow/heat and insane vacuum, but good chemistry.
Mikey P
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Perfect.
Thanks Ashley.
That says it all.
But John will continue to lie to ignerts and the Mardies of the world will continue to be half assed hacks.
Thanks Ashley.
That says it all.
But John will continue to lie to ignerts and the Mardies of the world will continue to be half assed hacks.
Desk Jockey
Member
Wow nice work Ashley. 
So now I wonder where ATP play into this? Is there any value at all in testing carpet?
I wonder if tested would the VLM side show a lower ATP count? Would both side be below the 300 soiled carpet count?
The right side certainly appears cleaner, even if the ATP should test higher. So is there any value for testing unless there is a specific reason?
So now I wonder where ATP play into this? Is there any value at all in testing carpet?
I wonder if tested would the VLM side show a lower ATP count? Would both side be below the 300 soiled carpet count?
The right side certainly appears cleaner, even if the ATP should test higher. So is there any value for testing unless there is a specific reason?
Mardie
Member
Mikey you no not what you speak. I dual process areas of heavy soil load. Made that very clear on many of my posts. But if you just want to pretend it is any different Knock yourself out so you can criticize .
bob vawter
Grassy Knoller
Mardie...WTF do you SOUND so stupid?
Lie? If someone agrees with Mikey he is a saint.. yep no bias, no agenda.
You are fun to watch Mikey.
Haven't you ever noticed "I don't care what methods a user uses?"
Haven't you ever noticed "I don't care how many methods a users uses?"
Haven't you ever noticed "I don't ever try to tell users to use one method?"
Haven't you ever noticed "I let them them totally decide what works best for them?"
Haven't you ever noticed "Most of our cleaners use more than one method?"
Haven't you ever noticed "I only DEFEND what you say can not be done, "IF" I can do it?"
Haven't you ever noticed "I show picts and vids of doing what "I" am told I can not do?"
Hence, I pay little attention to those who CAN'T do it because THEY have a bias and agenda.
You are fun to watch Mikey.
Haven't you ever noticed "I don't care what methods a user uses?"
Haven't you ever noticed "I don't care how many methods a users uses?"
Haven't you ever noticed "I don't ever try to tell users to use one method?"
Haven't you ever noticed "I let them them totally decide what works best for them?"
Haven't you ever noticed "Most of our cleaners use more than one method?"
Haven't you ever noticed "I only DEFEND what you say can not be done, "IF" I can do it?"
Haven't you ever noticed "I show picts and vids of doing what "I" am told I can not do?"
Hence, I pay little attention to those who CAN'T do it because THEY have a bias and agenda.
Desk Jockey
Member
Cool!
I always wanted to be a saint.......BUT agreeing with Mike only got me so far.
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bob vawter
Grassy Knoller
G...you never answered me
may i log into padderland?
may i log into padderland?
Mikey P
Administrator
Mardie VS and OP is not real and effective Dual Processing.
John you endorse a VLM only set up. Vortex boy is proof of that. By touting him as your poster child you are in effect lying.
My only agenda here is to help cleaners be a professional.
Professional Carpet Cleaners need a good portable or truckmount. Disputing that moral fact involves lying.
Do you sell either? Why not?
John you endorse a VLM only set up. Vortex boy is proof of that. By touting him as your poster child you are in effect lying.
My only agenda here is to help cleaners be a professional.
Professional Carpet Cleaners need a good portable or truckmount. Disputing that moral fact involves lying.
Do you sell either? Why not?
Desk Jockey
Member
Thanks......I think????
Damn and on Cesar Chavez day to boot!
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bob vawter
Grassy Knoller
and for Christs sake, do not use the Lord’s name in vain to sell lies to idiots.
for ye shall be known by the twisted handle fruit that you bear..........
for ye shall be known by the twisted handle fruit that you bear..........
