A chem-dry guy speaks

[FB7777]

Darlene has promised more than a few times that she is through discussing this issue... yet she brings it up again everytime.

I consider that a breach of truth

sufficient proof to me that there is more to the story than her version


and I don't give a rats ass why!

 

[ron markam]

What type of society do we live in? One based on capitalism,socialism, or communism? While I do not know the story (nor do I care to know) people get ripped everyday in this great society we are a part of.While Darlene may have been hurt It seems to me(looking from a distance) she has landed on her feet so let it go.

 

[hogjowl]

Ron ... buddy ... think about that for a minute. She's in a carpet cleaning business in MISSISSIPPI. They have less people per sq. mile with carpet in their trailers than we have here in Alabama.

How successful could she be?

 

[ron markam]

ROFLMBO!! Y'all are crazy.

 

[Jay D]

Almost as successful as yourself oh mighty pigbreath! :wink:

 

[Guest]

Darlene has promised more than a few times that she is through discussing this issue... yet she brings it up again everytime.

I consider that a breach of truth

sufficient proof to me that there is more to the story than her version

FINALLY SOMEBODY GETS IT!!

 

[Dolly Llama]

Should Chem-dry bad mouth steam cleaning ? Absolutely not. As a matter of fact chem-dry is now HWE. The bonnet method is being phased out and Hydramaster 450 is the new machine for any new franchise. Is chem-dry really hwe? Not in the true sense. The final extraction is not hot water but chem-dry formula, thus the final residue is formula not water. o.

you're kidding, right?
That kind of sounds like the famous line

"it depends what the definition of is, is"..

low PSI hot fizzy water with rinse agents is still 99% water.

I s'spose with the move to TMs, CD had to come up with some way to call it anything but what it is...
since they've been trash talking the method by and large for the generation


..L.T.A.

 

[B&BGaryC]

Thank you meAt. The bottom line is, dry is a lie.

So is "steam" cleaning.

However, I don't think people are hurt by the "steam" lie. I always educate the customer anyway. When they ask if I use steam or water, I say yes. I tell them that the true name for this style of cleaning is Hot Water Extraction but it has been nick-named Steam cleaning because it looks like steam is given off in the process.

I wonder how far chem dry would get if people ask for their dry-cleaning and they let them know that actually it is a wet cleaning....

I really am ticked off when people call me asking for "dry" cleaning, and tell me that they don't want mold in their house, or they don't want their sub-floor ruined, that they don't want me to shrink their carpet, or destroy the backing, or they don't want me to just "push all the stains down into the pad".

I know these people have been lied to.... but unless I say I will "dry clean" their carpets I have about 3 more seconds with them on the phone. I usually tell them I can do a pad cleaning for them if they really want, but it would probably dry faster with my normal cleaning method...

Why do you have to lie to sell something? Why do you have to give our industry a bad name? Why must you make the government, the carpet mills and the CRI butt in? It's the $%&#ING HUCKSTERS THAT MAKE THIS INDUSTRY A JOKE TO THE CONSUMER! Do it right or go sell Amway!

And here's a clue: IF YOU HAVE TO $%&#ING LIE TO SELL IT, YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG!

 

[paladin]

Gary I'm not sure who "you" is in your post .Other than that I agree with you. Both chem-dry processes dry in about one hour is the reason they call it dry. I never have customers ask the difference between hwe and. cd. Many of the carpet cleaners in my market offer both. And some of the worst cleaners in my market are chem-dry. I think that good carpet cleaners of any method help all carpet cleaners. The thing that hurts carpet cleaning here more than anything is replacement with hard floor.

 

[B&BGaryC]

Is that dry backed up by a meter, or dry to the touch?

 

[B&BGaryC]

don't chem-dry to me, tell the truth.

If you haven't checked your dry times with a meter you don't know. I thought I was getting 20 minute dry times until I started carrying a meter.

 

[B&BGaryC]

don't chem-dry to me, tell the truth.

Sorry, that was slip. I meant, "don't lie to me, tell the truth."

 

[Greenie]

Darlene has promised more than a few times that she is through discussing this issue... yet she brings it up again everytime.

I consider that a breach of truth

sufficient proof to me that there is more to the story than her version


and I don't give a rats ass why!

I don't fault her for bringing it up again, I don't care what she intended on doing or what she said, you can see and feel the emotion in her post, there is some substance there.

She is still a lady and due some respect.

I'm kinda surprised how some of you act, if it was your sister you wouldn't be of the same opinion.

If there is even a small chance that Robert screwed Darlene, he is eligable for the boot according to the board rules, he should speak up.

And for you who make silly blanket statements about siding with Darlene cause of our litigation with HRI, you obviously are clueless, I've helped more Chem-Dry franchisees than I care to say, they are just people, good and bad like you.

The best thing about threads like this is it shows a little bit more of peoples real personalites.

 

[cu]

hey paladin. nobody ever asked you the difference between chemy and hwe.
i would have swore every last man and women here has been asked that sometime or another

 

[paladin]

cu never said never . It's not often and anyone knows cleaning is really very simple : Put it on-take it off. The only real difference is what and how you put it on and how do you take it off. The success of of those two hopefully results in clean and quick dry with no bad residues . In its current form cd is not that different than hwe. I tell customers it has three advantages .
1. made from carbonated water and plant extracts
2. dries quickly, usually in 1-2 hours
3. and leaves no dirt attracting residue
If a customer ask about hwe see 1-2-3
There a products availableable to anyone in carpet cleaning that can make the same claims ex. CARBONATED SOLUTIONS . there are people on this board that use it. It seems to me everyone should check out methods and chems rather than freak out at the mere mention of their name. Some people do that with anything they see as a threat. Few things are as good or bad as they seem.I am not here to promote cd to any of you. Just because you don't use it doesn't mean you are not a great cleaner.To anyone here if you can try cd product.try carbonated solutions, or any of many safe products do so. You pay the shipping and cost of product and I'll sell you enough cd you can try. Lighten up-its just carpet cleaning.If there were more good carpet cleaners there would be less hard floor or fly by nights. That's my opinion.

 

[FB7777]

I'm kinda surprised how some of you act, if it was your sister you wouldn't be of the same opinion

The best thing about threads like this is it shows a little bit more of peoples real personalites.

you're correct, I'd be emotional invested if it was my sister, and probably less objective than most.

 

[kmdineen]

Liars, cheats, hucksters and sociopaths will be eliminated from the flock.


Greenie has a point. paladin has been accused of being a cheat. Dolly has stated her side of the story, paladin has refused to state his side.
The administration of this board should give paladin 48 hours to respond to the charge or be gone. Once paladin has stated his side the administration should make a decision based on their findings.
Stealing someone's lively hood is serious stuff and can not be overlooked.







If there is even a small chance that Robert screwed Darlene, he is eligable for the boot according to the board rules, he should speak up.

 

[hogjowl]

Green Bean:
You can't support your claim that HR is to blame for Darlene's problem anymore than I can support my claim that she's run the whole topic into the ground.

But the preponderance of evidence is on my side.

PS And just to piss you off even more, I'm telling everyone here and now that I bought a wand and glide from your wife last week.

PPS She told me not to worry about you answering the phone when I called. She said you were always posting.

 

[paladin]

Who's the bigger fool. the one who leads or the one who follows...Even matters settled by law or not enough for some. In the old west they were the ones who would hang you first and sort it out later.
I could tell my sad story
draw any near who show sympathy
align with those
look for areas of bonding
expand to their associates
tell my sad story
hopefully noone refutes
if so lay low inject warm fuzzies from time to time
Repeat the process over and over
hopefully fan base will grow with time
slowly attract new converts
befriend all with sweet words
holy cow I'm gathering believers
Now I can shout it from the roof top
Noone dare raise a hand against me
All that I say is true and all I do is good
hope noone see my post on blue board
Who in the hell is Charles or paladin or chris or any of those
opened minded ------------ to disrupt my plan. They should be banned .
Better yet let's just hang em.

 

[hogjowl]

Or, you could just cut to the chase and buy a CCS machine and a glide. No matter what glide.

 

[XTREME1]

there are 1623 members on Mikeys BB, 1600 who have no clue who Darlene is, so the assumption everyone believes may not be true. Plenty of people have taken business from other people in many different ways.

I steal customers everyday and stole my whole business model. The former main CC in my area doesn't like me at all and has never met me. Business is Business. It is unfortunate the crap that Chem-Dry puts out there but I love competeing with them, after my service and price they never go back.

Liar Cheat Huckster is still out to the jury. I have noticed Chemguys (some not all) like to go start trouble. The way you wrote the last post Paladin is it supposed to be a poem? It doesn't rhyme

 

[truckmount girl]

As a board administrator I feel the need to speak up here.

While this board has and will continue to enforce the rules (difficult process as the rules are subjective), we try to stay out of disputes between individual board members. If a supplier, manufacturer or distributor is exposed as being in violation we will act accordingly, however, we try NOT to become involved in disputes among individual members, unless the exchange becomes abusive or threatening. Those in a position to sell to the membership are, and rightfully should be, held to a higher standard than the individual member.

While we would welcome Paladin's version of this story, he will not be banned simply for having a dispute, no matter how serious, with another member.

On a personal note; I have met Darlene and will vouch for the fact that she is honest and EXTREMELY hard-working doing beautiful work on the rugs and leather restoration pieces I have seen photos of. Certainly there is room for interpretation and misunderstanding, and this may or may not have come into play here, but to outright lie or purposely cheat anyone I feel Darlene is incapable of such an act.

I don't know Paladin at all, good, bad nor indifferent.

Darlene is a customer, but this does not have ANYTHING to do with my personal evaluation of the woman's integrity. Most of the people here are customers of our's and I have always treated you the same regardless. If I feel the need, I'll voice my opinion even if it disagrees with my best customers, dear friends or MY HUSBAND. I respect all of you, and I value your respect as well, if I were to kiss ass when I didn't agree I would lose respect for myself and in your eyes as well.

BTW: Marty and Danny the sexual innuendo was real classy.

Take care,
Lisa

 

[Greenie]

"You pay the shipping and cost of product and I'll sell you enough cd you can try"


I'll take $10 worth.

Where should I paypal to?

Address is in profile.

 

[hogjowl]

I'd be just as tough on Ken Harris if he came here and continuously whined about you steeling his glide design, or with Joe Bristor if he complained every day about you and Greenie hurting his business dealings.

If wouldn't matter it what those two said were true, or false, it would still get old hearing it.

And as far as I have seen, having class is not a requirement for posting here.

 

[truckmount girl]

I'd be just as tough on Ken Harris if he came here and continuously whined about you steeling his glide design, or with Joe Bristor if he complained every day about you and Greenie hurting his business dealings.

If wouldn't matter it what those two said were true, or false, it would still get old hearing it.

And as far as I have seen, having class is not a requirement for posting here.

Because she annoys you with her posts does not make her wrong, right, bad, good or anything else. It just makes her Darlene. I may not be able to get through a Darlene post either, and often scroll by the CD posts, but that doesn't change the fact that the woman does have integrity and I'd stake my reputation on that.

Having class is definitely NOT a requirement. Otherwise, most of us would be banned! In fact, I think Jim Pemberton would be here all by himself. I was just making an observation, not getting ready to hit the ban button. We still love you.

Take care,
Lisa

 

[diamond brian]

I like paladin's poem. It's slaiku--It's not meant to rhyme.

There once was a man from Texas
Who stole Darlene's business and bought a Lexus
He said with a grin-as he rubbed on his chin
Not even Mikey's Board jurors can correct this.

There. That rhymes.

 

[B&BGaryC]

I like paladin's poem. It's slaiku--It's not meant to rhyme.

There once was a man from Texas
Who stole Darlene's business and bought a Lexus
He said with a grin-as he rubbed on his chin
Not even Mikey's Board jurors can correct this.

There. That rhymes.

And she's got a hundred bucks that says she won't open her mouth about it again?

If I was her I would unplug my computer from the wall for the next 29 days.

---Not a slam on Dolly

 

[alazo1]

LOL @ Greenie

I'm sure Robert wouldn't supply the SuperNatural V to anyone. :roll:

Albert

 

[Guest]

but that doesn't change the fact that the woman does have integrity and I'd stake my reputation on that.

Lisa

Hey Lisa, you wanna buy a bridge? I've got one in Brooklyn that is for sale CHEAP.

How do you measure integrity? What qualifies it and what disqualifies it?

I see through Darlene like cheap glass. She is a phony if there ever was one.

I wouldn't trust her as far as I could throw her.


Again I ask, WHy would she be booted out of any franchise system if she were doing things the way she should? :?:

Do you think Harris would throw out a profitable rule abiding franchisee :?: IF so, WHy??:?:

She says robert stole from her, stealing is a crime in texas too, ya know.

Perhaps she forfeited her rights by a breach of contract.

Did you ever think that she was the one who was stealing?

She did go into arbitration some months back, why do you think she conceded her so called rights? Perhaps with one subpoena, the sh!t would've hit the fan and she would've lost anyway?


Robert's post above is exactly darlene, how does everyone not see it?

She may be a great cleaner and a go getter, but that doesn't mean that she tells the truth. Darlene just sells herself, with every truth, half truth and undisclosed lie that she can muster.

I was onto Darlene's lies long before I ever said a word to her.


Darlene counts votes of those who approve of her, she will openly agree with someone repeatedly in order to flatter them and get on their good side. She tell of her "misfortunes" and plays the underdog and whatever handicap that she can make up. She lives this delusion and hopes that no one ever figures it out.

Darlene has accused me in several posts of "having a problem with women", which is not based on any characteristic of my posts. I've never had a cross word with Lisa, Anna, Dana or any other female that has crossed the boards in the three years that I've been on. She wants desperately to discredit me in some way.

I feel sorry for husband number 5 as he seems like a genuinely good guy that is wrapped up in a real sociopath.

Darlene needs these boards, she needs for people to believe her lies, it's how she lives with herself.

Robert is not on these boards to discuss every detail of his personal life or how many times he has been married or so called abuses he has endured. He just wants to talk shop. He had sand thrown in his face on the blue board by a bunch of people who are either duped by Darlene of just really hate Chem Dry. I would have never known that he was ever involved with Darlene until Darlene made a point to address him on the blue board.

Darlene was hoping that she had rounded up enough troops and circled the wagons so she could carry on her little lie a bit further. I saw this coming the minute she identified him.

 

[paladin]

My offer stands. Pay shipping and costs of chemical and I will send you formula to try. Don't get mad at me if it's good stuff. I don't make or sell it , I just use it. This is simply so "you" can know what you fear. I also suggest you try CARBONATED SOLUTIONS, and I don't use that ( it's against the franchise license agreement ) but I have tried it.Seems like good stuff to me.There are other similar products avaliable- try those. A franchise is not the only way to go . Franchises just allow you to go from 0-60 sooner for startups. Some hard working entrepreneurs can do it on their own
As far as the other TOPIC :It was all settled legally a year ago. Why should I let it be re fought here . Some people are just never satisfied with the agreements they make.I'm not here to stir up trouble on either topic. I was a steam cleaner for years and have been with chem-dry for years and am old enough and smart enough to know the same saddle does not fit all riders.
You don't have to dislike someone to disagee with them and you don't have to disagree with someone you don't like.
p.s.I just noticed the pop up ad at the bottom" chem-dry carpet cleaning drys in hours not days"
that is true about cd if done properly and its not true about all steam cleaners.The worst cleaner in my area is a chem-dry and the best competitor is a steam cleaner-their name is Steamers of San Antonio. I never hear bad about them,and I applaud their good work. It also true about some cleaners out there. I had a lady tell me once "I'll never use cd again. It took my carpet three days to dry" Obviously some chem-dry soaked her.If anyone should be attacked for their work it's the fly by nights and hacks that low ball , bait and switch, and don't care about the profession or the customer. Live in a market like San Antonio where every one has a relative who has three jobs and one is always carpet cleaning.