HydraMaster CDSxDrive Overview from the Experience

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2000 rpm's over the 1500 for a traditional cds 1400 for a pro1200.
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Keep in mind that you have to think a little differently than with traditional cds-type machines. The quoted speed is only for the van's engine and is constant. The blower can turn at any speed - set by the electric motor controller (four different preset speeds). As you increase the blower speed the van stays at 2000 but the generator loads the engine down more, increasing fuel consumption, and vice-versa as you lower the blower speed.
 
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Not as good as the first Mikey and Saiger video. I now know a little more about the new technology available for the Transit Van. If there is a belt down in there on that generator then it will be something someone will have to change occasionally. I believe the belts on the machine are very easy to change but the belt on the generator could be difficult, maybe from below it isn't so lost in there..so I don't know. This is going to be interesting to watch.
 
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I'm interested in the fuel usage of the v6 at 2000rpms vs the 6.0 at 1500
Chris, not a direct comparison. The new machine drives the blower at different speeds depending on the speed switch on the front of the machine, while the engine always turns at 2000 rpm. the fuel consumption will be very different depending on the blower speed setting.
 
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Sam,

Keep in mind that you have to think a little differently than with traditional cds-type machines. The quoted speed is only for the van's engine and is constant. The blower can turn at any speed - set by the electric motor controller (four different preset speeds). As you increase the blower speed the van stays at 2000 but the generator loads the engine down more, increasing fuel consumption, and vice-versa as you lower the blower speed.
I was only referring to the engine rpm, I'm sure they spin the pump and blower higher.

I'm also interested in how much fuel savings between 1500 and 2000 rpm's

But the ford gets better gas milage then the Chevy so even running higher rpm's it might use close to the same fuel.

I doubt hydramaster would make a gas guzzler.
 
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I'm also interested in how much fuel savings between 1500 and 2000 rpm's
Sam, imagine sitting in your car with the shifter in park. hold your foot on the gas and rev it up to 1500. Now rev it up to 2000. The fuel consumption will be nearly identical because there isn't any load on the engine, it's spinning freely. The fuel consumption changes when you load the engine down. With the x-Drive the engine is loaded electronically, not by changing engine speed.

Imagine going downhill in your car. How much throttle is needed to maintain 2000 rpm? Little if any. If your car has a mileage calculator it will say your mileage is insanely high, like 90mpg. Now drive up a steep hill and maintain 2000. You will be near full throttle, and your mileage thingy will say 9 or 10mpg, same rpm. It's not the rpm that determines fuel consumption, it's the load.
 
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I would think accelerating the gas would use gas.
Well, sure, to a tiny extent. No engine spins completely freely, there is internal friction and accessories to drive (like the water pump, oil pump, alternator), but that's focusing on pennies while ignoring the dollars.

Remember that the x-Drive's conversion to and from electricity wastes several percent of the available power, even that loss is more than the little bit of change you would see revving the engine up to 2000.
 
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I have to say that I was impressed by the x-drive. I have always had a fondness for Hydramaster, having worked with them and owning one. They have always been reliable for me. The only thing is, I think you would want a hydramaster service department nearby as I don't think you want to wrench on this yourself. Blower and pump maintenance will be the same but you want a trained tech to look over everything else. Performance was great.
 
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Anyone tried mounting the blower and pump in the engine compartment? Would probably require a bulge in the hood and/or other body modification, but would be simpler mechanically and probably less expensive.
 
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For the electric motor to work properly it must have the voltage and Cycles it was designed for. A generator will put out different cycles per second at different rpm. If they ran the ford motor at 1500 rpm the cycles per second would be way off and the electric motor would heat up and be very inefficient.

Most electric motors are very sensitive to input power changes.

I wonder what Voltage and Cycles per second the electric motor is designed for.

Dan, It will be interesting to find out how much the conversion/reconversion costs in lost energy.

The Xdrive should cost significantly more than the old direct drive units.. A generator and an electric motor to replace the old power transfer system of a couple of pulleys and a drive shaft.
 
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The generator frequency changes with speed unless the output is DC, still don't know for sure.

If the generator / motor is AC, then the "motor controller" is certainly an inverter (VFD drive). The first thing a VFD does is convert the incoming AC to DC, then chops the DC back up into AC at any frequency desired, so the frequency of the generator output wouldn't be critical.
 
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